ISIS burns Jordanian pilot alive

[Chad4000]

I read somewhere where a voice over on the video was talking about impaling victims so they would suffer for 2-3 days. Kind of a Vlad the impaler kind of deal.
Not sure if I read that on this site or another.

yeah I read that too...

[HoneyBadger]

I don't remember which WWI general said it (possibly Helmuth von Moltke the Younger or Joseph Joffre... initially, I thought it was from the Spanish American War, but now I'm leaning toward WWI or slightly pre-WWI) but in a nutshell:

(paraphrasing) "A quick and exceptionally brutal war is far better for everybody than a long and brutal war. There will be less dead, less pain, less suffering, and everyone will be able to get on with their lives quicker."

Even Sun Tsu knew that protracted warfare never benefitted the stronger side. Limited warfare as we know it today will not solve this problem.

[hollohas]

And there's this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-flames.html

Slaughtered for their entertainment: Crowds gather to watch the barbaric murder of
Jordanian pilot on specially erected giant screens on the streets of Raqqa...
and CHEER when the airman goes up in flames
· -Shocking video shows ISIS supporters gathering to watch murder footage
· -Big screens have been erected in terror group's de facto capital Raqqa
· -Film of Moaz al-Kasasbeh being burnt alive appears to be playing on loop
· -Crowd cheer and shout religious slogans as pilot is engulfed by flames
· -Film then shows locals - including children - talking about the atrocity
· -Chilling new release is titled 'Muslims' Joy at Burning of Jordanian Pilot'

[ray1970]

The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".

I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?

Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.

[hollohas]

The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".

I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?

Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.

Lack of public trial?

[TFOGGER]

Murder is a crime of passion,driven by emotion. Execution is driven by perceived necessity or a perception of justice being done, and commonly carried out without emotion, by officials with no personal stake. Shooting, hanging, lethal injection, or other "humane" forms of killing might be justifiable on some level as an execution. The level of cruelty shown here would eliminate any such designation by "civilized" men.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The media keeps referring to this as a "murder".

I'm curious what, if any, the difference is between a murder and an execution?

Serious question. Maybe one of you can share your thoughts with me.

Legitimacy. An execution in theory has some legal legitimacy because it's performed by the accepted government or as part of a just cause. ISIS is not a legitimate government so they are committing murder rather than carrying out an execution. In addition, immolation has not been an accepted form of execution since about the 17th or 18th century.

[Gman]

In addition, immolation has not been an accepted form of execution since about the 17th or 18th century.

...but you're talking about individuals that want to bring back the 8th century.



Sent from my electronic leash.

[Duman]

I'm curious about some things about ISIS (I Suck Islamic Schlong)
1. Who is funding them?
2. Who is supplying weapons?
3. Who is providing technical and logistical support?

These rock-throwing, goat-banging, dress-wearing, camel-dick-sucking can't be doing this on their own. Thete has to be state sponsorship or other deep pockets.

[Gman]

Let's see if this goes anywhere...
Arab World Unites in Anger After Burning of Jordanian Pilot

AMMAN, Jordan — There was one feeling that many of the Middle East’s fractious clerics, competing ethnic groups and warring sects could agree on Wednesday: a shared sense of revulsion at the Islamic State’s latest excess, its video showing a Jordanian pilot being burned alive inside a cage.

In Syria, the government denounced the group that has been fighting it for months, but so did Qaeda fighters who oppose both the government and the Islamic State. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian government for once agreed on something, the barbarity of the militant group for the way it murdered the Jordanian, First Lt. Moaz al-Kasasbeh. Grand Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the head of Cairo’s thousand-year-old Al Azhar institute and a leading Sunni scholar, was so angered that he called for the Islamic State’s extremists to be “killed, or crucified, or their hands and legs cut off.”

In a way that the beheadings of hostages had not, the immolation of Lieutenant Kasasbeh united the Arab world in an explosion of anger and disgust at the extremists, also known as ISIS or ISIL, or to most Arabs by the word “Daesh,” derived from the extremists’ Arabic acronym.

The sense of anti-Daesh unity made for strange scenes throughout the region. Jordan’s King Abdullah II, caught by surprise in Washington when the video was released, returned home not to anger at his absence, but to a hero’s welcome. Crowds lined his route from the airport to cheer Jordan’s decision to promptly retaliate by executing two convicted terrorists, both with connections to the Islamic State, only hours earlier.

Never known as a charismatic leader, King Abdullah got rave reviews at home for his tough talk in Washington, where in a meeting with congressional leaders he said his retribution would remind people of the Clint Eastwood movie “Unforgiven.”

While the propaganda video, with its vows to kill other fighter pilots bombing Islamic State positions, was clearly aimed at trying to scare Jordan out of the American-led coalition fighting the extremists, it seems to have had the opposite effect among many Jordanians. Jordan is one of a half-dozen Arab countries actively participating in the coalition, in addition to Iraq, and Jordan’s government spokesman said the kingdom would now step up its involvement.

“I guess in a way we lost a pilot, but at the same time I think the government gained a collective support for fighting them, in Jordan and from all around too,” said Adnan Abu-Odeh, a former head of Jordan’s intelligence service. “Daesh have made a big error. When you are weakened as they have been, you try to make your supporters think you are strong by being more monstrous, but this time they went too far.”

In Syria, where a chaotic four-year insurgency provided the Islamic State with an incubator, both those supporting President Bashar al-Assad and those opposing him condemned the act, as did their foreign backers.

Iran, the Syrian government’s most important ally and no friend of Jordan, called the pilot’s killing “inhumane and un-Islamic.” Al Manar, the television station of another ally of the Syrian government, the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah, called it “the most gruesome” of many atrocities committed by the Islamic State.

Qatar, which opposes Mr. Assad, likewise condemned the killing as “contravening the tolerant principles” of Islam. Turkey, blamed by many in the region for allowing foreign fighters to cross its borders into Syria, where some join the Islamic State, also chimed in. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called it an act of “savagery” that had no place in Islam, adding, “I curse and damn the burning of the Jordanian pilot.”

Denouncing the Islamic State as a “diabolical” terrorist group, Al Azhar’s leader and grand imam, Mr. Tayeb, cited Quranic verses to show that Islam forbids the burning or mutilation of enemies at war.

“This vile terrorist act,” he said in a statement issued by Al Azhar, “requires punishment as cited by the Quran for oppressors and spoilers on earth who fight God and his prophet, that they be killed, or crucified, or their hands and legs cut off.”

Al Azhar, a seat of Islamic learning, considers itself a beacon of moderation and tolerance for the Sunni Muslim world, and the statement offered no explanation for the incongruity of Mr. Tayeb’s advocating some of the same medieval punishments typically employed by extremists.

Mainstream Arab leaders reacted to the immolation in a categorically different way to the long string of hostage beheadings that preceded it. Partly that may have been because, according to many commentators Wednesday, burning someone alive is prohibited in Islam as a punishment that belongs to God alone, applied in hell. Beheadings, on the other hand, have a long Islamic history.

Others, while condemning the Islamic State, sought to draw attention to the Syrian government’s barrel bombings of cities that, according to Human Rights Watch and other organizations tracking the conflict, kill far more civilians than the extremists — however depraved and attention-grabbing the militant group’s methods.

Khaled Khoja, the president of the main Syrian exile opposition group, linked the pilot’s participation in the struggle against the Islamic State directly to his own country’s opposition’s struggle against Mr. Assad.

“Moaz’s blood has mingled with the soil of our beloved Syria, and whose remains mingled with those of hundreds of thousands of Syrians killed by Assad’s barrel bombs and the terrorist group ISIS,” Mr. Khoja said in a statement. “While I strongly condemn this barbaric act, which symbolizes pure evil that the terrorist group represents, and the deepest of depravity to which they are prepared to sink, I call upon the peoples and governments of the world to stand by the Syrian people and end their suffering caused by the Assad regime and ISIS alike.”

Ken Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said that both forms of killing should be condemned.

“ISIS’s despicable conduct shouldn’t make us lose sight of the largest killer of civilians in Syria: Assad’s barrel bombs,” he said in an email. “The world has been reluctant to address them out of a misguided sense that nothing should be done that might constrain the fight against ISIS, but barrel bombs have little if any military significance. They are so inaccurate that the Syrian air force doesn’t dare drop them near the front line for fear of hitting its own troops.”

“It will be hard to win the hearts and minds of the Syrian people by arguing that they should stand up to ISIS’s atrocities while ignoring the government’s,” he said.