ISIS burns Jordanian pilot alive

[Limited GM]

If ever Id want a 500 lb'er dropped on my postion, that was it. I can not fathom.

[Chad4000]

I disagree with your viewpoint, but ladies and gentlemen...THAT was an intellectual response to someone who has a differing opinion. Much respect, and I raise my glass to you good sir.

It's a hard topic to debate, thank you too!

[Chad4000]

If ever Id want a 500 lb'er dropped on my postion, that was it. I can not fathom.

the article where I finally saw the video, also had a translated video of a woman calling for :insert some muslim word: where they would drive spikes up yur ...yeah... and post you up "so to speak" and it would take a couple days to die.... still not sure which would be worse. that or the fire...

[Bitter Clinger]

evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.

they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.

this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.

it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.

no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....

Well said! I couldn't agree more.

[generalmeow]

evil exists in this world my friend. so does right and wrong. we the people, wrote this check. blood and treasure. we get to make these calls. they are wrong, we are right. if you have an entire race of people who are either "extremist" or unwilling to write the same check that we wrote, something will need to be done. in this case, they've pushed and pushed and pushed. the kids can fight all they want in the back of the classroom, but once the teacher gets hit with a spit ball, everybody pays.

they need to be dealt with. in the only manor in which they can relate. we aren't talking about humans. we are talking about a race that is sub human. they arent as advanced, they do not understand diplomacy, order, right and wrong... they do not understand what it takes to be human, because they aren't. they don't understand mercy, or forgiveness. they don't understand emotion, or beauty, or love.... they are bread this way.

this is not our fault. they did this to themselves. and that's because that's what they want. it's all they've ever wanted, and its all they will ever get. they've been fighting for allah for thousands of years and it'll reach our shores at some point (already has...). that is a fact.

it's an ugly truth, but the sooner we level a few cities, the sooner they have a chance at understanding. the longer we let this kind of thing be ok, the longer it will go on. there is a very real possibility that "extermination" is literally the only answer to this problem. we may not be there yet, but we are close to finding out.

no need for lock btw, mods, edit my post if need be. but im speaking from the heart about a very real problem. im not blanket hating on random people....

I feel like the people who don't see it this way, eventually will.

They are winning when we are doing anything less than exterminating them. Their entire strategy appears to be based on the fact that we won't try it, so all they need to do is wait and have more kids than us.

If you're not thinking about extermination, you're playing into their hands. You're doing what they want you to do, which is to get enraged about a videos like this, and support a ground war where we go in with both hands tied behind our backs and a news station on every corner reporting on all of their civilians we kill. They win this way. They win every single way. Except one. The one route they don't think we'll go (and we won't go, because we're all brainwashed into believing that they might understand something other than beserker ultaviolence).

I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.

I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that they seem to have a perfect long term strategy, and there's only one thing we can do to stop them. So do you want to stop them, or don't you?

[davsel]

I feel like the people who don't see it this way, eventually will.

They are winning when we are doing anything less than exterminating them. Their entire strategy appears to be based on the fact that we won't try it, so all they need to do is wait and have more kids than us.

If you're not thinking about extermination, you're playing into their hands. You're doing what they want you to do, which is to get enraged about a videos like this, and support a ground war where we go in with both hands tied behind our backs and a news station on every corner reporting on all of their civilians we kill. They win this way. They win every single way. Except one. The one route they don't think we'll go (and we won't go, because we're all brainwashed into believing that they might understand something other than beserker ultaviolence).

I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.

I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that they seem to have a perfect long term strategy, and there's only one thing we can do to stop them. So do you want to stop them, or don't you?

[fly boy]

I believe we'll be forced to attempt to go that route one day when we're backed into a corner, but by then it will be too late. They'll have infiltrated us and grown to the point where we can't stop them. Maybe we're already there.

I'm in favor of sending in ground troops right now, and I'll gladly go myself, and I'll let me son go one day, but only if there are no rules, and big money isn't calling the shots. I don't agree with our soldiers being sent places when there are rules or there is any other strategy than steamrolling. No rebuilding, no aid, no mercy, no training local forces, no installing friendly governments, no media. If it creates a vacuum for bad guys, that's great. That's perfect. We want them to all go to one place.

I agree with the point that they may have infiltrated the U.S. already. Also I agree with not sending troops into a place with no rules when we must follow our own. If we send American Soldiers to a Foreign fight, we should play by their rules.

A quick thought of "Black water" comes into my mind when sending in people for "no mercy" - I know this ruffles a lot of feathers, however, if needed to protect the U.S. I would gladly stop my career, and go over there and put in my time as long as there aren't U.S. rules, media, "big money," or politics involved. Put me on a rooftop with food, ammo, and some assistance, and let them get a taste of their medicine before they try their ideals on U.S. soil.


THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY - and most of us know what opinions are

[generalmeow]

But the whole "extermination" sentiment is just so vile and disgusting coming from people who appear to hold themselves as more human than groups such as ISIS.

BTW, I don't think I'm more human than them. But I do know that they insist that I become muslim, or they will kill me. The violent ones will cut my throat, and the moderate ones will hold me down.

Trying to negotiate with that doesn't make one morally superior, it makes one inferior. Nature insists that creatures go on the offensive sometimes to survive. We may be human, but we are also animals. And doing what the animal side says to do is almost always the right choice in the long term. The animal side knows what to do to survive based on millions of years of choices made and punished/rewarded. The human side is influenced by what the Kardashians think about it.

[Chad4000]

This is honestly how I would handle this problem.

Start with the biggest city that is ISIS controlled (dont care if it's Baghdad or what). Send in flyers. "3 days from now, every structure in this city will be destroyed, leaving behind only pebbles. Any person still in the city when this happens is considered an enemy. Thank you".

I swear I dont care if literally every single person good or bad leaves the towns. in fact, zero casualties (at this stage) would probably benefit us in the eyes of the "world". In fact, I might even support leaving 50 buses in the middle of town with the keys in em.. "get the fuck outta here guys". then you literally reduce the city into a pile of rubble. During this process, 24 hour drone patrols. all day, every day, drones flying low over their heads. tracking movement, obviously armed. somebody does something stupid, blow em up. equip the drones with a loud speaker message on repeat, saying that every person still in this part of the world is considered an enemy. la la la.

day after leveling city, more flyers go out. the next city will be destroyed in 2 days. boom. next city will be destroyed tomorrow. next city will be destroyed this afternoon. all the while with the drones. never once does an American soldier set foot on the ground. Literally never once. mix in a random, "this city will burn down in 2 days" or whatever. Literally using fire, destroy them. Tell the world that everyone was evacuated, and that there was an ebola outbreak there, necessitating the use of fire.

On the outlying cities, once a day, during prayer (coincidence mind you) drones blow up an "empty" structure. The purpose of this, is the water torture thing. One random building that by all accounts is empty, just goes away. Dont care if it's a shed, or outhouse. hell, dont care if it's one of the buses we gave em. blow something up.

What this will do, is allow at least a shred of "look, we dont want to kill civilians, see what we did?" with the flyers. Basically this is our disclaimer. yes I understand that nobody would support this wholeheartedly on the worlds stage, but in the back rooms everybody knows what needs to be done. This will also show an amazing amount of power. we dont even have a to put a boot on the ground, and we will dominate you until the end of days... Once it comes time to go into "sovereign" countries, we give them the option of continuing our strategy. If they politely decline, tell them we will sell them Iraqi oil at half price for 50 years to be our ally, and let us help rid the world of this problem. "Sorry Turkey, but the only thing that will ever enter your airspace, is a missile every day or two coming from the gulf, until these bad guys leave you and yours alone to live prosperously. "Keep in mind Turkey, that although it's phrased like a question, it's not. Thank you".

This will force the bad guys to constantly be moving. Into the hills, etc. This will force the "good" ones, to be moving also. Some of them go here, some go there, whatever. (Yes I know what that could eventually lead to). I mean, literally, eventually destroying every single building in iraq, afghanistan etc. We reserve half the oil rights, (because look, we already got fuckin lambasted even when we didnt take oil the last time), and we restructure the entire region. No more iraq. no more afghanistan. Isreal, here's a chunk if you want it, Jordan, heres a chunk if you want it. UAE, heres some, go get rich homies. Think about a country like the UAE, taking truckloads of money in there, printing even more money when they finally set up shop, and pretty soon, the country formally known as iraq will be the biggest tourist destination in the world. oh and not to mention, we are now making money selling oil back to the middle east. which we would invest in free cell phone programs and free health care here in the states so that the retards that we have here will even be on board with the plan.

[PugnacAutMortem]

I would actually support something along those lines. Not the best plan, though I'm not sure a "best plan" actually exists. You then have a MASSIVE refugee situation that would need to be dealt with immediately, but I don't have any problems flexing our muscles with no boots on the ground and fair warning to those who are innocent bystanders.