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    Some say the end is near, some say we'll see Armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will....... Learn to swim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamnanc View Post
    Some say the end is near, some say we'll see Armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will....... Learn to swim.
    LOL, maybe we will all have ocean front property here in Colorado great for property values...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAPenguin View Post
    LOL, maybe we will all have ocean front property here in Colorado great for property values...
    This was all ocean BOTTOM property ~120 million years ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    This was all ocean BOTTOM property ~120 million years ago...
    and for all we know it'll the sea bottom again in another 120 million years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    and for all we know it'll the sea bottom again in another 120 million years.
    Glad to see you are coming around to our line of thinking (I kid!)

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    Climate alarmism has been debunked as 100% politics and junk science. Can we move on, finally?
    "Guilty of collusion"

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    And I thought Detroit had bad schools. I too remember all the alarmist "ice age" talk in the 70's
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    Nobody's coming, what ya do that was so wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrymrc View Post
    And I thought Detroit had bad schools. I too remember all the alarmist "ice age" talk in the 70's
    Yeah, I remember that bunch of hooey too.

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    I would not call deGrasse Tyson a moonbat but neither is he the most respected scientist of our time. The most well-known and popular, probably, but I'd certainly rank Freeman Dyson up past DeGrasse Tyson and in this field, Richard Lindzen certainly has looked at the data more. The biggest argument against the climate predictive models is that NONE of them predicted the past 16 years of warming pause. NONE. Hell, they can't even back-predict the past correctly. Take a careful look at where alarmists draw their cut-lines and ask yourself why they select the data spans they do. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the alarmists like to use the 100+ years since the end of the Little Ice Age.

    Personally, I'm in the Lukewarm camp: intuitively there has to be an effect from this many humans and the changes they've made to the surface of the Earth but the data and physics do NOT support the lies promulgated by the likes of Michael Mann, Phil Jones, etc. nor do the proposed "carbon control" measures make sense. I heard Bill Nye speak at the Space Symposium dinner several years ago and it was the first such time I've been tempted to walk out. I used to respect him for his science education efforts until I heard his wigged out garbage.

    Carbon comes into play because carbon dioxide is known to reflect infrared photons (heat). (Water vapor is even better than CO2 at this but we'll leave that alone for now.) These photons are created when black bodies like asphalt absorb visible spectrum light and reradiate that energy as infrared. Want to adjust the heat equation of the planet in a quicker, cheaper, and more easily adjustable way than "carbon sequestration"? Change the albedo (shininess) of the planet. Quit using dark asphalt and roof tar, use lighter materials or covers so more of the visible light is reflected back into space as ... visible light. White (or grass) roofs could do a lot of this. If you overshoot the mark and fear entering another (overdue) Ice Age, you can shift back to darker materials to absorb more of that solar energy as thermal energy.

    The only reason for "carbon control" is it is a backdoor for economic control. Now why would economic control be of concern to avowed Leftists?

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