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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    Wether anybody here knows it, we all had a win today with this. They also made it so the States cannot ban municipalities from competing in broadband. It is a good day. Who knows how it will be twisted by the ISP's but I think we can all agree that a level playing field is American. That is what this did. The ISP's can't play favorites with Internet traffic. This is not the Man/Gov taking over, it is actually keeping it the way it was always supposed to work. The Internet should not care if a packet comes from Google, a Mom&Pop shop or just a kid at home. That is the simplified answer to what 'Net Neutrality' really is.
    How do you know? If you have a source for the 330 page regulation, please pass along. Every single report I have read from a dozen different sources, both for and against it, say it hasn't been published for public review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    How do you know? If you have a source for the 330 page regulation, please pass along. Every single report I have read from a dozen different sources, both for and against it, say it hasn't been published for public review.
    That is a big part of it, when Netflix and other streaming video suppliers couldn't make their customers happy and they could no longer blame it on the "last mile" ISP they struck deals to prioritize their stuff so end users could watch movies without buffering. Now it is going to be a level playing field again, so if you are getting your advertised internet speeds (while plugged directly into a GOOD modem not the Wally special and not wireless) and you can't stream your netflix or direc tv or Hulu or whatever you need to complain to that company and not your ISP. Direc tv customers, this still won't fix your streaming video stuff haha

    their are other unknown deals being made in this new legislation as we all know, when the gobment gets involved unknown stuff gets signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    How do you know? If you have a source for the 330 page regulation, please pass along. Every single report I have read from a dozen different sources, both for and against it, say it hasn't been published for public review.
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    That's not the document they just voted to pass.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    No, but it is the meat of what was proposed. They did not rewrite the whole thing. We do still need to see the details to see any twists, that was in my original post, but this is what we have to go on till we get more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    but I think we can all agree that a level playing field is American.
    No, I strongly disagree. A "level playing field" has NEVER been part of America. America is about opportunities to challenge yourself to excel above your own station, and those of others. It's neither level nor fair. A "level playing field" is another version of the "redistribution of wealth" - it can only succeed by taking from one and giving to another. It can only be done by government forced compliance. And, when it's done by the government it's communism/socialism, not American.

    You may have drank the Kool-Aid here, but the .gov getting involved bodes poorly for us.

    ETA: Haven't you learned by now than any time this administration fails to provide the transparency in the process, as was promised during the original election campaign, it's always bad for us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big E3 View Post
    Also need to add that shopping list of taxes we have on our phone bills.
    Yep. Welcome to a host of new internet regulatory fees. But at least, with these new .gov fees, you'll get to see the poor underprivileged in your community getting their new ObamaNet for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by trlcavscout View Post
    if they limit what private companies can charge for products they are limiting what private companies will spend to develop better products and services. Why spend millions of dollars if their is no return on the investment.
    BINGO! This (IMHO) is the second worst thing about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    Wether anybody here knows it, we all had a win today with this. They also made it so the States cannot ban municipalities from competing in broadband. It is a good day. Who knows how it will be twisted by the ISP's but I think we can all agree that a level playing field is American. That is what this did. The ISP's can't play favorites with Internet traffic. This is not the Man/Gov taking over, it is actually keeping it the way it was always supposed to work. The Internet should not care if a packet comes from Google, a Mom&Pop shop or just a kid at home. That is the simplified answer to what 'Net Neutrality' really is.
    You have no idea if the 332 pages of new regulations are indeed anything like what you think "Net Neutrality" is just because it has the words "Net" and "Neutrality" on the cover ... being happy over this at this point is foolishness.

    I could say I was going to toss a "fluffy kitten" into your lap, but you had to close your eyes first ... of course you want a fluffy kitten ... they're warm, cute, fluffy ... so when I toss a rabid bobcat into your lap you're going to be pissed.

    Hey, maybe it'll be the panicia of free and open internet we all keep hearing that "Net Neutrality" will bring. But knowing the Obama administration and Democrats track record forever ... I suspect we just got a rabid bobcat tossed into our lap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    You have no idea if the 332 pages of new regulations are indeed anything like what you think "Net Neutrality" is just because it has the words "Net" and "Neutrality" on the cover ... being happy over this at this point is foolishness.
    But ObamaCare said "Affordable Care Act" on the cover, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    But ObamaCare said "Affordable Care Act" on the cover, right?
    I was going to say that the name of the bill sounds like it's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    I was going to say that the name of the bill sounds like it's a good thing.
    Of course it does! "Department of Homeland Security" sound like a good thing too, right?
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