Watch out: EAA's magazine policy sucks

[O2HeN2]

I bought an EAA Pavona for the up and coming Women on Target clinic in Colorado Springs. Been a fan of the Witness series and especially the Witness Compact with the current magazine restrictions in place. The Pavona I thought would make an excellent addition to the line for women to try.

The Pavona only comes with one 13rd mag (remember that number, 13!), which I was aware of when I ordered it, but look what happened when I went to order more magazines from EAA:

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Dear <name>

Attached please find Pick List <number>.

We have a company policy of NO magazines over 10rds to the state of CO. We can change your order to
sku#101930-10rd that will fit your pistol. You could also try MIDWAY USA 573-445-6363 to purchase the 13rd
magazines. We will wait for your response.

Thank you

[sellersm]

Hmmmm, hopefully it's just a case of some education/instruction for the manufacturer? Good luck... Keep us posted.

[O2HeN2]

I replied with a copy of the pertinent CRS section defining high capacity magazine as over 15 rounds. We'll see if the cranial-rectal inversion is corrected.

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Could you review your policy? Attached is Colorado Revised Statutes 18-12-301 which defines a large capacity magazine as more than fifteen (15) rounds. See 18-12-301 (2)(a)(I), highlighted in red, below if your mail system supports the font and coloring.

So a 13 round magazine is perfectly legal, which is one reason I bought a Pavona in the first place!

Please review your magazine policy about shipping over 10 round magazines to Colorado. As an NRA instructor I have been recommending your Witness Compact and Pavona because they're within the current restrictions. That recommendation will cease if in fact your company will not ship perfectly legal magazines to Colorado!

No, I do not wish a 10 round magazine when a 13 round magazine is perfectly legal in Colorado.

If your company is unwilling to ship a perfectly legal 13 round magazine to Colorado, could you at least give me the correct part number/SKU for the 13 round 9mm magazine for the Pavona?

<name>
<phone>

COLORADO REVISED STATUTES
* This document reflects changes current through all laws passed at the
Second Regular Session of the Sixty-Ninth General Assembly
of the State of Colorado (2014)
and changes approved by the electorate at the November 2014 election *
TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 3. LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
C.R.S. 18-12-301 (2014)
18-12-301. Definitions

As used in this part 3, unless the context otherwise requires:

(1) “Bureau” means the Colorado bureau of investigation created and existing pursuant to section 24-33.5-401, C.R.S.

(2) (a) “Large-capacity magazine” means:

(I) A fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that is designed to be readily converted to accept, more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;

(II) A fixed, tubular shotgun magazine that holds more than twenty-eight inches of shotgun shells, including any extension device that is attached to the magazine and holds additional shotgun shells; or

(III) A nontubular, detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of accepting more than eight shotgun shells when combined with a fixed magazine.

(b) “Large-capacity magazine” does not mean:

(I) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;

(II) An attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or

(III) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

HISTORY: Source: L. 2013: Entire part added, (HB 13-1224), ch. 48, p. 144, § 1, effective July 1.

[CHA-LEE]

New flash EAA Customer service sucks ass. Their poor customer service is a major reason why I moved away from using their guns in competition. Them deploying a "10 Round only" rule is 100% laziness on their part.

[Zundfolge]

Frankly the Turkish made Caniks are significantly better quality CZ75 clones than the Tanfoglio/EAA guns. I'd put them on par with the Czech made originals. A guy I work with has bought two C100s and they're very nice. Every bit as nice as the Czech made CZ75 SA I own. They're often sold in the US under the name TriStar.

In the last couple decades I've been into firearms I've never heard anyone say anything nice about EAA.


There are a couple on Armslist in CO right now, one C100 (CZ75 compact clone) http://www.armslist.com/posts/139157...nik-55-c-100--
and one "Shark" (Baby Eagle compact clone) http://www.armslist.com/posts/414111...-blued-finish-


Only downside is they don't make polymer CZ clones (they do however make some Walther P99 clones in poly that are priced well and have reviewed well).

[BPTactical]

Sheeeit, I have a Witness Match Elite which is pure sexy and an unbelievable shooter.

[ben4372]

Their customer service is why I don't have their 10mm. That and they have terrible ads in the magazines.

[jhood001]

I replied with a copy of the pertinent CRS section defining high capacity magazine as over 15 rounds. We'll see if the cranial-rectal inversion is corrected.

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Could you review your policy? Attached is Colorado Revised Statutes 18-12-301 which defines a large capacity magazine as more than fifteen (15) rounds. See 18-12-301 (2)(a)(I), highlighted in red, below if your mail system supports the font and coloring.

So a 13 round magazine is perfectly legal, which is one reason I bought a Pavona in the first place!

Please review your magazine policy about shipping over 10 round magazines to Colorado. As an NRA instructor I have been recommending your Witness Compact and Pavona because they're within the current restrictions. That recommendation will cease if in fact your company will not ship perfectly legal magazines to Colorado!

No, I do not wish a 10 round magazine when a 13 round magazine is perfectly legal in Colorado.

If your company is unwilling to ship a perfectly legal 13 round magazine to Colorado, could you at least give me the correct part number/SKU for the 13 round 9mm magazine for the Pavona?

<name>
<phone>

COLORADO REVISED STATUTES
* This document reflects changes current through all laws passed at the
Second Regular Session of the Sixty-Ninth General Assembly
of the State of Colorado (2014)
and changes approved by the electorate at the November 2014 election *
TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 3. LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
C.R.S. 18-12-301 (2014)
18-12-301. Definitions

As used in this part 3, unless the context otherwise requires:

(1) “Bureau” means the Colorado bureau of investigation created and existing pursuant to section 24-33.5-401, C.R.S.

(2) (a) “Large-capacity magazine” means:

(I) A fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that is designed to be readily converted to accept, more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;

(II) A fixed, tubular shotgun magazine that holds more than twenty-eight inches of shotgun shells, including any extension device that is attached to the magazine and holds additional shotgun shells; or

(III) A nontubular, detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device that is capable of accepting more than eight shotgun shells when combined with a fixed magazine.

(b) “Large-capacity magazine” does not mean:

(I) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than fifteen rounds of ammunition;

(II) An attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition; or

(III) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

HISTORY: Source: L. 2013: Entire part added, (HB 13-1224), ch. 48, p. 144, § 1, effective July 1.

Thank you for taking the time to educate them.

[BPTactical]

Thank you for taking the time to educate them.

Talk to your ass and your head hurts.
I tried doing the same thing with the shop in Nebraska.
They didn't give a hoot.

[O2HeN2]

Talk to your ass and your head hurts.
I tried doing the same thing with the shop in Nebraska.
They didn't give a hoot.

Yhea, but we both tried. That gives us the right to legitimately whine, rather than most that don't even try to educate and skip straight to the whining!

O2