SCOTUS: Cops can't force you to wait for K9

[cstone]

Barry Cooper is an interesting character.

He has a unique perspective, but I don't believe I would take legal advice from him. YMMV

[Ronin13]

In 2006, former narcotics officer and current criminal defense expert witness, Barry Cooper, was the first to blow the whistle on drug dog false alerts. Enjoy this comprehensive study of drug dogs which includes videos of false and true alerts.

http://nevergetbusted.com/nevergetbu...ert-200-times/

There are also "studies" done to make it look like "climate change" is predominantly caused by mankind... So what? Do I take some YouTubers and potentially very biased "research" or do I go straight to the source and see if actual cops, who actually do the work and go through the training and hear it from them that they don't train false alerts. I'm well aware of Mr. Cooper, and like many in our own state, I think his love affair with pot has, ahem, clouded his judgment.

This just can't be true! Video evidence? Nah. Seems like whatever I say on this forum must be a load of crap.

Seriously, thanks for posting that.

Not everything, just this. I don't know squat about basketball, so you won't see me posting things about which teams are the best in the NBA.

No, I did not have any kind of contraband in the vehicle.

GSDs have over 2,000,000 scent receptors in their nose... sometimes, like everything else, they make mistakes or have false positives. Nothing in this world is perfect. Sorry your paint got scratched, I truly am, but don't hate me for saying this, sometimes shit happens.

[68Charger]

Barry Cooper is an interesting character.

He has a unique perspective, but I don't believe I would take legal advice from him. YMMV

He's selling a service- "Click To Hire Barry As Your K-9 Expert Witness "\
So this entire article is an ADVERTISEMENT.

Mr. Shaker- I believe you went over the top when you said "Most" K9s are trained to hit on queue...

I could counter that "Most forum reports of damage you see posted are made up"... and I'd probably be more accurate than saying Most K9 units are dirty...
are there dirty cops, and dirty K9 units? I'm sure there are- but you used "Most" in your post, which doesn't help your credibility... it seems inflammatory rather than having a civil discussion.

You decided not to do anything about the damage to your vehicle... you could have complained to the Officer's supervisor yourself without a lawyer and sought compensation from the department, even if a lawyer was involved you could recoup your legal fees...

[Great-Kazoo]

insert for levity.

[crays]

68charger beat me to it.
There will always be SOME bad cops.
Beat cops, K9 cops, specialized unit cops, detectives. Doesn't matter what their assignment is.
But, they will always be a slim minority, and there will always be an abundance of decent, hard working, honest cops.
Sorry your experience was so negative, shaker. I would hate to have to endure that myself, but I think the pushback you are getting here is due to the broad brush you are painting with in this thread.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Noted. I should not have used most. My apologies to those officers that are decent, honest, and do not abuse their power.

68charger beat me to it.
There will always be SOME bad cops.
Beat cops, K9 cops, specialized unit cops, detectives. Doesn't matter what their assignment is.
But, they will always be a slim minority, and there will always be an abundance of decent, hard working, honest cops.
Sorry your experience was so negative, shaker. I would hate to have to endure that myself, but I think the pushback you are getting here is due to the broad brush you are painting with in this thread.

[milwaukeeshaker]

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.

[crays]

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.

Quick question.
What was the situation surrounding your talks to the others? Were they random conversations in a non-specific setting, with an "Aha!!" moment, or were these interactions initiated in a forum/thread/etc. where bad K9 searches, or even K9 searches in general, were at the forefront?

I am not baiting or leading here, simply asking.

[Ronin13]

I used "most" because I have talked to others that have had the same kind of "false alerting" tactics performed by K9's on a traffic stop. I believe this is a tactic used by some in a "fishing expedition" in order to finagle around the 4th amendment rights of the vehicle owner. Maybe you are not that kind of officer, but you cannot tell me that the badge heavy cop does not exist. I unfortunately ran into one of those, and so have others, all in the name of the "drug war" which in a truly free country should not exist, but that's another story.

I agree that there are bad cops, or even "badge heavy" ones out there, I've met a few myself. But like was said before, these individuals are a very small minority. I don't think there is some fishing going on to get around the 4th Amendment- most cops respect the Bill of Rights and do their due diligence to respect people's Constitutional rights. What I think you, and the few others you have talked to, have experienced are the aggressive enforcement folks that want to project the image that they're "kicking ass and taking names" in drug enforcement and interdiction. I've met people like this, and while I don't agree with the level of aggression that they use in the narcotics game, it is an issue due to the large amount of narcotics related crimes going on. In terms of the drug war, it is a loosing battle for those of us who are genuinely trying to keep drugs off the streets. America is among the top drug using nations out there, and sadly we're losing.

[osok-308]

I agree that there are bad cops, or even "badge heavy" ones out there, I've met a few myself. But like was said before, these individuals are a very small minority. I don't think there is some fishing going on to get around the 4th Amendment- most cops respect the Bill of Rights and do their due diligence to respect people's Constitutional rights. What I think you, and the few others you have talked to, have experienced are the aggressive enforcement folks that want to project the image that they're "kicking ass and taking names" in drug enforcement and interdiction. I've met people like this, and while I don't agree with the level of aggression that they use in the narcotics game, it is an issue due to the large amount of narcotics related crimes going on. In terms of the drug war, it is a loosing battle for those of us who are genuinely trying to keep drugs off the streets. America is among the top drug using nations out there, and sadly we're losing.

Well said. From my experience, most cops are people who do their best to make sure that they respect the rights of the individual. I know that I personally would want to be treated with dignity and respect, and therefore, I aim to treat others the same way. You can always find bad cops, just like you can find bad priests, bad members of the military, and bad citizens. The issue is that a lot of people are now going OUT OF THEIR WAY in an attempt to try to force police into doing or saying something stupid, which results in people making the police's job that much harder.

I am not trying to justify the actions of one bad police officer, I am trying explain that they too are human and as humans, they are not immune to errors in judgement. I am genuinely sorry that milwalkeeshaker had a bad experience with police, and I hope that your future encounters with them are better.