Ripping RMGO now

[RblDiver]

I must admit, I sort of slightly sympathize with the "no compromise" position and look for full repeal. Upping the limit reduces the pressure on lawmakers for a full repeal. They can say "You have 30, good enough" and since there's less general impact, there's less public pressure for change. Hence, for many the issue would drop off the radar.

Then again, there's the Reagan policy of (I'm probably misquoting, but think I get the general gist) "If they offer you half a loaf, take it and then start working on the other half." So I can go either way here.

[TFOGGER]

It's often been said that the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time, and the way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Dudley can posture "no compromise" all he wants. When I buy a Powerball ticket, if I win $100 instead of $100,000,000, I'm not gonna tear up the ticket in disgust, I'm gonna take the winnings, and try again for the big win. All or nothing usually ends in "nothing", and then your effort is truly wasted.

[roberth]

It's often been said that the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time, and the way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Dudley can posture "no compromise" all he wants. When I buy a Powerball ticket, if I win $100 instead of $100,000,000, I'm not gonna tear up the ticket in disgust, I'm gonna take the winnings, and try again for the big win. All or nothing usually ends in "nothing", and then your effort is truly wasted.

That is why the communists have been so successful here....incrementalism.

[Jamnanc]

I think part of the concern is that the democrats will be able to claim that they worked with us, thus presenting themselves as centrists. If we can't get them out of office in our fine purple state, then they can maintain their control and take more freedom.

[Ronin13]

It's often been said that the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time, and the way to get out of a hole is to stop digging. Dudley can posture "no compromise" all he wants. When I buy a Powerball ticket, if I win $100 instead of $100,000,000, I'm not gonna tear up the ticket in disgust, I'm gonna take the winnings, and try again for the big win. All or nothing usually ends in "nothing", and then your effort is truly wasted.

I've heard a few analogies in my day, but on this, that's one of the best, especially describing Dudley, I've ever heard. And I agree 100%!

[TFOGGER]

I think part of the concern is that the democrats will be able to claim that they worked with us, thus presenting themselves as centrists. If we can't get them out of office in our fine purple state, then they can maintain their control and take more freedom.

If they actually work with us, they they ARE centrists. If they continue to work with us, then they are shifting their party to the right, which may not be a bad thing. I won't like or hate someone because of how they are labeled, I'll base my opinion on their deeds.

[asmo]

In case any of you missed it: http://www.5280.com/magazine/2013/08/Dudley-browns-war

Again, lost in the last crash:

Dudley Brown is like a blind special needs child that wants to cut your hair - to make you look 'pretty'. He really thinks he is helping you, but in the end the results may be less than desirable.

[Justin]

I'd like to revise my position from my previous posts.

I think that Caldera et al are trying to build a consensus to get a modification to the law passed.

However, before such legislation is even brought forth, they clearly believe that they need to marginalize and outgroup Dudley Brown and rmgo in order to keep him from screwing up the whole thing.

If so, it's an interesting strategy.

[newracer]

That is a good point. Salazar said himself that the only way he would consider changing the limit to 30 is if it could never be repealed.

[MED]

My position: I can wait for a year or two and work towards getting the whole damn thing eradicated. HAVE PATIENCE.

A complete repeal will not happen in the next year or two. It will not happen in the next three years, and I doubt it will happen in the next seven years.

This state will not be electing a favorable Governor and Legislature together in the foreseeable future. Given the new demographics and the re-districting map, it could take decades; yes, decades. I don't know if it could be done through initiative or not; maybe last election cycle. All or nothing will be nothing; people are just not looking at the reality of the situation. Our state is growing hostile and that will not get better with time.

Raising the mag limit to 30 or even 20 should have been a priority during the debate, but it was all or nothing then too...look at where it got us.