HK greatly expanding their US market

[hurley842002]

They haven't though... people just took it that way (and yes, perception is everything). I've read all of the sources of these complaints, and not a one has any merit. A few were just blatantly made up...

Question, what exactly do you think is a question to ask them that they would tell someone to "go pound sand"? Can you list a few? (I'm not being a smart ass or anything, just curious)

And again, I'm not talking about the literal sense of "pound sand" like you seem to think I am. Please see post #22, for a brief overview as to how I believe HK told folks to pound sand. They said pound sand through their business practices, not through actual customer service related incidents.

[spyder]

Again, just asking, but what business practices other than something like the example I gave? I'm just trying to clearly see where you are coming from, I'm interested.

EDIT:
Post 22? Nothing in there says "screw the Americans", it says "hello, we're Germany, and we're not that brilliant at sales strategy, or anything involving using our time wisely". Again, they are going to do what they are going to do, and why does it have to make anyone happy? I don't get the mentality behind getting all bent out of shape and taking things like that personally. Ya, they did stupid things trying to figure out their market niche and failed... and? They are going after Gov. contracts, with the civilian market as a back burner process. I believe it is stupid also, hands down, but I don't rationally see how them screwing up is a personal hit? Hell, I don't see how them saying "buy our stuff as it is, or don't" is a personal hit..... When their current business plan fails (and I do personally think it will make them hit rock bottom), the next owner of Hk will hopefully do something smarter with the company and point it in a better direction.

[PSS]

Again, just asking, but what business practices other than something like the example I gave? I'm just trying to clearly see where you are coming from, I'm interested.

I like HK products. Especially the old school stuff. One way they were telling people to pound sand was to go after the HK94 clone makers and threatening to sue them in order to force them to stop building firearms people want. HK doesn't want to sell HK94's to the American public and doesn't want anyone else to either.

[spyder]

I like HK products. Especially the old school stuff. One way they were telling people to pound sand was to go after the HK94 clone makers and threatening to sue them in order to force them to stop building firearms people want. HK doesn't want to sell HK94's to the American public and doesn't want anyone else to either.

Um no... That's Hk saying, "you don't have the rights to make our gun, so stop". That is a completely legitimate business thing, and was in no way pointed at anyone but the makers trying to use Hk's design without licensing. ANY company that you try to copy will do that if they have valid IP on a product that you try to rip off, ANY COMPANY. Vector could have asked for licensing rights, but they didn't, they tried the asking for forgiveness thing first, and it bit them along with GSG, and a couple of other companies. There are those that asked to produce under licensing, and low and behold, Hk let them.

I don't have any idea of when they're roller lock patents are up, but as soon as they are... there will be a clone a plenty. Actually, they should be up already.....

[Zombie Steve]

They still have them silly fluted chambers? I kinda like my .308 brass .308 shaped... and not thrown into the next berm.

[PSS]

The fact they won't find a way to get them to the American public market and at the same time won't let anyone else do it. Obviously there is a market for the product. But they won't service it. My opinion only. You may not agree. But that course of action does not endear HK as a company to me.

Edited to say that they will let licensed HK factories produce them. Turkey has been trickling some in lately. I doubt small manufacturers could swing a deal with HK.

[PSS]

The lawsuits had nothing to do with roller lock patents.

[PSS]

Wouldn't Colt have the same justification to sue ar-15 clone makers. Honest question.

[Ah Pook]

Didn't know about the HK drama, just never was attracted to them. I knew an FFL that loved 'em. I played around with them but they just didn't "fit". Then I found out the prices.

Never been a Beretta fan either. Don't see much love for them here either.

[PSS]

Personally the price of guns have not really been a factor to me. At least up to the $3000 range. If I want it I will find a way eventually to own it. You can usually sell it for close to the same or even more than original price. I'm going to put more money thru it in the form of ammo anyways.