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    Not controversial at all. It's clearly shows a disregard for others by a lack of safe gun handling.

    The lady in red holding the AR looks like she has her finger inside the trigger guard. You should never do that. Especially around impressionable young people.

    Other than that I don't see what the problem is.
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    I'm always curious at people with Confederate accoutrements. More often than not, they don't hail from states that were a part of the former Confederacy. But I have a Gadsden flag, so I can't really hold that above them. However, even if they are from the former Confederate states, they were born so long after its dismantiling that it doesn't really seem to mean anything. Colonial flags, Gadsden flags, and the like represent an institution whose evolution we're all a part of. The Confederacy, like the Nazi party, is a dead institution whose flags and memorobilia don't really mean anything. What exactly are their proponents trying to represent with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY View Post
    I'm always curious at people with Confederate accoutrements. More often than not, they don't hail from states that were a part of the former Confederacy. But I have a Gadsden flag, so I can't really hold that above them. However, even if they are from the former Confederate states, they were born so long after its dismantiling that it doesn't really seem to mean anything. Colonial flags, Gadsden flags, and the like represent an institution whose evolution we're all a part of. The Confederacy, like the Nazi party, is a dead institution whose flags and memorobilia don't really mean anything. What exactly are their proponents trying to represent with them?
    I disagree with the part that's in bold. And I don't think you can accurately state that most people have on connection to a former Confederate state. You have no way of knowing that. While some people may have co-opted the Confederate flag without it being a part of their personal family history, the Confederacy is a part of our national history, like it or not. Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?

    I happen to be from the south and I'm very proud of my Confederate heritage. Having said that, I don't own a Confederate flag or anything with that flag on it and I never have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theGinsue View Post
    States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.
    You would be surprised how few people understand this. Whenever I explain it to people, they usually reply with, "Yeah, states' rights...to own slaves."

    At that point I usually just tell them to look into the economic and military ramifications of annexation and then drop the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?
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    No. But that's because my point has nothing to do with slavery or racism or whatever other conotations people (often inaccurately) make with the Confederate flag. My point is that it's like an Austrian kid born in 1996 flying a Czechoslovakian flag.
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