if you read the post right above yours, you will see that is exactly what is being discussed.Originally Posted by Jacket
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if you read the post right above yours, you will see that is exactly what is being discussed.
I'm confused isn't this thread titled Arsenal AK's, so why all the talk of mismatched junk AK's? Why do people talk about the American made AR with such reverence, yet when someone says they have some American made parts in their AK, it's junk.
FYI, it takes 5.5 hours of machining just to produce a Bulgarian milled receiver. Then you add things like hammer forged chrome lined barrels and forged bolts, all made in the same factory on the same tooling that produces military rifles and that's not cheap to produce. I agree anybody spending top dollar on a mismatched AK would be making a bad investment.
As an analogy you keep talking about your old rat rod you sold in high school and complaining about why Chip Foose now wants $60K for a custom hot rod to replace it. Supply and demand drives the free market, still the best system around. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy Arsenal AK's, but they sell. Maybe there are a lot of stupid people and you are the smart one or maybe they're worth it. I say if you ever get a chance handle and shoot a top quality AK, maybe you'll change your mind on there value.
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Because a lot of those American made AK parts are from companies like Tapco.
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Probably because Arsonal buys crates of production parts from here and there to build a gun. I am not saying they are junk. I love AKs I just think the quality and craftsmanship is not on par with other guns in the price range.
Obviouslyyou are a fan of Arsonal, sorry to offend your brand. I have nothing against them I just don't see 1k+ in an AK. just my 2cents.
-Back to the subject a hand I would suspect the "shortage" could be a marketing ploy to keep prices high on a gun that should be much lower.
Last edited by Jacket; 05-12-2015 at 06:15.
Huh? Arsenal USA doesn't buy crates of parts and build guns like Century. Minus a few rare exceptions, like the old SA M7s, they are simply an importer and do the required 922R compliance mods on what they import. The rifles are new production built by the host country (Bulgaria and Russia). Are they overpriced? Probably but then again I doubt Century could bring something like a SLR107, with the proper folding stock and CHF barrel, to market for much less than what Arsenal is asking. Some people value an AK built in combloc countries, others could care less. To each their own.
As for this shortage, I suspect it's more marketing than fact. They have the most amazing luck of finding unknown warehouse stashes when the price point gets high enough.
Last edited by mutt; 05-12-2015 at 12:19.
I don't have any more of an affection for Arsenal than other gun in my collection. If anyone starts berating other guns that they know nothing about I will try to set the record straight there as well. I refuse to set back and listen to the uninformed throw jabs at something they clearly know nothing about (Arsenal quality). I'm not here to defend their high price, but it cost money to produce a quality rifle, and Arsenal is. I have no knowledge of them falsely inflating prices, maybe they do maybe they don't. I just don't understand why some people persist on throwing uninformed false blanket statements out about all AK quality, it goes nowhere.
I understand AK perception is likely driven by the fact that there is such a broad spectrum of quality in AK parts. The perceived quality of guns built in the US from foreign parts and the 922r compliance requirements all result in some AK's being pieced together "junk". I imagine that these are the guns you are most familiar with that you're looking to buy again. People seem to compare AR's to AK's, typically concluding that AR's are superior. Generally speaking AR's should be built to tighter tolerances just from the fact that we have mil-spec to drive the quality and fit of parts. If you spend a little time doing some research you will find a few AK's also are built to fairly tight tolerances. I have both AK's and AR's and don't really lean one way or another. The AR will beat the AK in long range accuracy, the AK excels in durability. I don't believe I will ever be in a situation where I would have one and wish I had the other, barring an ammo issue.
The virtues of the AR have been well established on this and many other sites. There seems to be many not familiar with Arsenal, my attempt here is to extol the virtues of Arsenal AK's having all of their key components made and assembled in a top rated military production facility that's been doing it since 1958. It is amusing that any time the Arsenal name comes up in a thread at some point the price and general overall quality of AK's eventually becomes the hot topic. But really "Arsonal buys crates of production parts from here and there to build a gun", please do some research before making such an uninformed statement. If you really feel the need to berate an AK please take out your angst on more deserving AK's like Pioneer or I.O. unless those are the ones you are looking to buy then by all means continue to not comprehend anything I've said and go ahead and get one.
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Jacket, don't take it personally and I see you're pretty new here. For what it's worth, and perhaps a good takeaway is that it can be safely assumed that anytime you have a thought or question about something firearm related, someone on this forum will have an exceptional understanding and insight into the topic/question at hand.
It's actually not just limited to firearms either. Many of us, myself included, come to this very site to ask broad-stroke questions because we trust the value and knowledge of this crowd. We police our own and do our best to moderate each other in hopes of building a valuable and respectable forum. Even the closest friends among us will call each other out if something isn't quite right.
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Good post!Jacket, don't take it personally and I see you're pretty new here. For what it's worth, and perhaps a good takeaway is that it can be safely assumed that anytime you have a thought or question about something firearm related, someone on this forum will have an exceptional understanding and insight into the topic/question at hand.
It's actually not just limited to firearms either. Many of us, myself included, come to this very site to ask broad-stroke questions because we trust the value and knowledge of this crowd. We police our own and do our best to moderate each other in hopes of building a valuable and respectable forum. Even the closest friends among us will call each other out if something isn't quite right.
No matter what mfg / brand AK one has or likes. It doesn't hold a candle to my Polytec Legend'sNo pictures will be available, Til i decide to post it in the Firearms For Sale sectiom
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