Another head-exploding moment...

[Bailey Guns]

I guess I don't get the whole internal struggle with "gender identity". You're either male or female. Regardless of how you "feel", you're either male or female. You may not like your gender, you may not "identify" with your gender, but you're either male or female. Through modern medical technology you may even be able to change your plumbing. But you're still biologically either male or female. Chromosomes don't lie.

(OK...for all you who want to argue specifics of chromosome abnormalities, I'm referring to normal genetic makeup...not the relatively rare exceptions to the human male/female chromosome arrangement.)

[BPTactical]

(OK...for all you who want to argue specifics of chromosome abnormalities, I'm referring to normal genetic makeup...not the relatively rare exceptions to the human male/female chromosome arrangement.)

Are you saying you have a thing for Hermaphrodites Carl?

[Irving]

I guess I don't get the whole internal struggle with "gender identity". You're either male or female. Regardless of how you "feel", you're either male or female. You may not like your gender, you may not "identify" with your gender, but you're either male or female. Through modern medical technology you may even be able to change your plumbing. But you're still biologically either male or female. Chromosomes don't lie.

(OK...for all you who want to argue specifics of chromosome abnormalities, I'm referring to normal genetic makeup...not the relatively rare exceptions to the human male/female chromosome arrangement.)

I think that is the point most people are trying to make. People are going to find unique ways to internally identify themselves no matter what we do. I don't think it is responsible for schools to encourage that and find it unnecessary to include in the curriculum.

[SAPenguin]

Irving, the more I read your posts in this thread and others, the more I respect you. Your posts are well reasoned, and never attack other posters, never angry. Hat tip to you, sir...

I think that we are going to learn that a persons true gender is not determined by what is between their legs, but rather between their ears. And, unfortunately we understand so little of what goes on in our brains.

Bruce Jenner is a prime example... A woman, trapped in a mans body, who wishes to spend time with other woman. I really feel for him. Can you imagine living your entire life as a lie, pretending to be something you are not. I cannot fathom it He is the only redeeming feature of the entire Kardasian clan, as far as I am concerned. Very brave of him to come out as he did. Hopefully it will give some hope to the millions around the world in similar situations.

[Gman]

Bruce Jenner is a prime example... A woman, trapped in a mans body, who wishes to spend time with other woman. I really feel for him. Can you imagine living your entire life as a lie, pretending to be something you are not. I cannot fathom it He is the only redeeming feature of the entire Kardasian clan, as far as I am concerned. Very brave of him to come out as he did. Hopefully it will give some hope to the millions around the world in similar situations.

Jenner and the Kardashians are media whores. I think they'd do anything for attention, including Bruce's 'revelation'. I wouldn't hold them up as role models for anything positive.

Schools need to teach kids the basics so that they can continue to educate themselves. They're so focused on social engineering that they're not teaching kids what's really important. It's no wonder that so many parents end up sending their kids to private schools or home schooling.

[Irving]

Irving, the more I read your posts in this thread and others, the more I respect you. Your posts are well reasoned, and never attack other posters, never angry. Hat tip to you, sir...

Hey thanks. School is a great place for a lot of things, but not everything.

[Big John]

I think that we are going to learn that a persons true gender is not determined by what is between their legs, but rather between their ears. And, unfortunately we understand so little of what goes on in our brains.

Bruce Jenner is a prime example... A woman, trapped in a mans body, who wishes to spend time with other woman. I really feel for him. Can you imagine living your entire life as a lie, pretending to be something you are not. I cannot fathom it He is the only redeeming feature of the entire Kardasian clan, as far as I am concerned. Very brave of him to come out as he did. Hopefully it will give some hope to the millions around the world in similar situations.

Seriously??? Bruce Jenner brave??? A woman TRAPPED in a man's body??? How bout' severely f'd in the head and needs help.

If my grandfather (or even father for that matter) were to hear this transgender drivel, his head would literally explode. It's a damn good thing we have technology to fight our wars because the American male as we know it is all but gone.

I can't believe that we've come to the point that this is even a conversation...