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I think that is the point most people are trying to make. People are going to find unique ways to internally identify themselves no matter what we do. I don't think it is responsible for schools to encourage that and find it unnecessary to include in the curriculum.Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Irving, the more I read your posts in this thread and others, the more I respect you. Your posts are well reasoned, and never attack other posters, never angry. Hat tip to you, sir...
I think that we are going to learn that a persons true gender is not determined by what is between their legs, but rather between their ears. And, unfortunately we understand so little of what goes on in our brains.
Bruce Jenner is a prime example... A woman, trapped in a mans body, who wishes to spend time with other woman. I really feel for him. Can you imagine living your entire life as a lie, pretending to be something you are not. I cannot fathom it He is the only redeeming feature of the entire Kardasian clan, as far as I am concerned. Very brave of him to come out as he did. Hopefully it will give some hope to the millions around the world in similar situations.
Jenner and the Kardashians are media whores. I think they'd do anything for attention, including Bruce's 'revelation'. I wouldn't hold them up as role models for anything positive.
Schools need to teach kids the basics so that they can continue to educate themselves. They're so focused on social engineering that they're not teaching kids what's really important. It's no wonder that so many parents end up sending their kids to private schools or home schooling.
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I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
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I've read a lot about it over the years and I get gender dysphoria; I really do. That said, what I don't find acceptable for any age, particularly within the schools of primary education, is the allowance of someone who claims (a claim is all that is required as there is no ability to prove/disprove it*) to identify with a gender other than that which their genital-based physiology identifies them, to utilize the bathrooms and locker rooms of those who do not share the same genital-based physiology. Penis possessed being do not belong in vagina/breast based restrooms or locker rooms and vice versa.
In addition to the potential psychological trauma to those who those facilities were designed for, the exposure to differing genitals should be decided by parents and the individual, not some damned progressive do-gooder wanting to "help" the gender-confused person feel comfortable. What of the comfort of the greater number of individuals who are affected?
This is an example of where I honestly believe the needs of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many. Even if we discount the relative moral absurdity of this situation, this is an absolute violation of common decency.
Look back through my posts over the last several years and you'll see I've said that EXACT thing many, many times. Sadly, it's only getting worse.
ETA: * There are multiple gender identity tests in use by the psychological community, yet every one I've seen is easy enough to obtain the results your individual is working for if they aren't honest with their answers. Additionally, the article made no mention of requiring such tests to obtain access to those typically out-of-bounds areas - only a claim.
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Hey thanks. School is a great place for a lot of things, but not everything.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I agree with this. The thing about the apparently transgender kid in our school was the bathroom issue. This kid is being raised by his grandma, that doesn't really have a clue about what is going on. Kids his age shouldn't even know about this issue, and I go back and forth between feeling like he watched that episode of South Park (no parents) and that he really feels this way on his own (no parents). I talked to the teacher a bit, and she said that it was kind of a given and the other students didn't blink an eye and weren't at all surprised. If this were tenth grade, I could see it, but this is 2nd grade. I kind of feel that it is not unreasonable to tell a kid to act a certain way until they are a bit older. This kid has had other issues in the past, but again, I've chalked that up to the whole no parents thing. It doesn't at all help that this kid is infatuated (again, apparently) with my kid.
One thing that strikes me as a bit dichotomous, is that most of these cases that I've seen, are men identifying as women. I can't think of a single case of a female identifying as male. I don't know if this can be tied to society eschewing and dismissing the importance of being male, and making up for centuries of male based society by over-singing the praises of women or what, but it strikes me as odd that society would bend over back-ward for the desires of a select few of men.
As to the second sentence in this quote, nothing will get kids used to accepting a male identifying as female faster than still requiring that individual to use male restrooms and locker rooms. It strikes me as an extremely lazy, with an equally extremely thin veneer of women power, tactic to just sweep these gender struggling males into the women's restroom and declare that anyone who doesn't like it is a weak-minded bigot. You want to identify as a woman, then you better be ready to own it, and live it, in the men's room. If you make it out of high school and still feel that way, then damnit, you've earned it.
"There are no finger prints under water."
We're so happy our daughter graduated before this "gender" stuff was even on radar.
Back then it was the DARE brain washing program and How bad guns were.
We feel for you who have kids in public school.
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You forgot Thrift and Self-Reliance.
Dogs and Cats living together... Mass hysteria! Sorry, that's what your post reminded me of.
What I don't understand, and you can include the homosexuality debate with this, is that we're (society) catering to a very small portion of the population. Transgender makes up an estimated .3% of the population is transgender. Compare that to roughly 2.3% of the population identifying as homosexual. So why are we catering to such a small portion of the population? I know maybe a handful of gays (less than 20), and out of that very small handful I know ONE person who was born a man, but currently lives as a woman. Kids between puberty and adulthood (legal adulthood, ie 18) don't even know what's going on with all the hormones and what not going on. Hell, when I was 18 couldn't decide if I liked blonde women or brunette women better, much less anything complex, like what on earth a "gender neutral" person was. Sure, after high school I found out a kid a grade below me changed genders in his mid 20's, and we always wondered about him, but it's not something that happens with any real frequency in our schools that would warrant education or much less shifting policy toward this.
The thing that would anger me as a parent, and not being one it's impossible to fathom the real feelings of parental responsibility, this much I recognize, but being a responsible adult and empathizing with others who do have kids, if I had a daughter and I discovered a male student at her school "identified" as a female and the school considered allowing this young man (born a man and having male genitalia) to utilize female facilities, I would be very disgusted and angry. Granted, my experience, working in a jail and having to deal with this issue once before in that setting, it is a different case. We can't cater to someone's feelers, we approach from the safety and security standpoint. In schools it's a whole different monster where we feel that we can't harm a "confused" child's gentle sensibilities. Is the occurrence so frequent that this even needs to be addressed on such a large scale? If Jefferson County Schools put out a new policy where children who "identified" as a different gender were allowed to use that gender's restroom and locker rooms, would there even be enough children that would necessitate the need for the policy to extend to more than one school? I consider this the eroding of norms that have been clearly established in our society that have worked for over 100 years without much issue.
Side note: on one occasion I was dragged out to a gay bar with a couple of gay friends, and found that they have one all-gender restroom. Talk about uncomfortable! Is this where we are eventually headed? If so, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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The way society is headed, if I were to build a new restaurant or other place requiring rest rooms, I would probably have a communal sink area with individual genderless stalls equipped with privacy doors. Not sure how I could make them big enough to accommodate Roseanne Barr without having a George Michaels incident in one of the stalls but at least it would cut down on the women complaining about toilet equity.
I am rather annoyed that society is spending so much effort on a relatively powerful sub-minority. What do you do when the anti-Western/anti-Christian/anti-capitalist/anti-whatever types have taken over the public schools, the law schools, the judiciary, mass media, etc.?
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