Caldera/Independence Institute: Editorial on RMGO 5/25

[Bailey Guns]

I agree with Caldera. Good article.

The idea that you will either get all or nothing pretty much guarantees that you will get nothing.

This is the same argument I make for voting for republicans...Romney for example. Was he the perfect conservative candidate? Of course not. But there wasn't one. But to prove a point republicans didn't vote and we got Obama for another four years.

[hurley842002]

I hope some of you don't think I'm defending DB. I can give a crap less about him, have never been a member of RMGO, and have never donated to DB. I don't expect things to be perfect, but the constant bickering between "pro 2a" folks is really tiring.

[jhood001]

I think the real issue on the repeal vs amendment issue is long-term thinking.

If the game is almost over and you're down by 7 in a football game, you go for it on fourth down.

If you have plenty of time on the clock, you put up 3.

Everyone acts like the world is coming to an end when it comes to gun rights. I believe the end of the game was close 2-3 years ago, but it isn't now.

Kick the damn field goal now and work to get possession back. It isn't 'settling'. Its just putting points on the board.

[theGinsue]

I hope some of you don't think I'm defending DB. I can give a crap less about him, have never been a member of RMGO, and have never donated to DB. I don't expect things to be perfect, but the constant bickering between "pro 2a" folks is really tiring.

What I'm about to do is a violation of site rules. Dudley Brown is a member of this site. Our rules clearly state that we're not to engage in personal attacks against other forum members. Through all previous conversations about DB I've held my tongue but tonight I'm going to claim the privilege of exemption to that rule based off of the efforts I make on behalf of this site. [Following comment redacted]


I agree that the bickering is tiring but anyone who thinks DB is pro-2A must also believe that Al Sharpton wants racial harmony.

I don't state this as fact, but as my personal, and not the site's, opinion.
In my opinion, DB and his organizations (RMGO & NAGR) have literally done NOTHING positive for enhancing/re-establishing our 2A rights. As I understand it, he and his org's have suckered millions of dollars from people with his "the sky is falling" methods. As with Sharpton, actual progress to achieving his stated goals will negatively impact his bottom line.

This is what I believe. If you disagree, show me some proof that I'm wrong.

ANY progress towards restoring truly un-infringed 2A rights is still progress. As Gman said, if you insist on holding out for all or nothing then we will all be left with nothing.

ETA: Oh, and last November I had the displeasure to exchange emails on this site with Mr. Brown (which he initiated). On several occasions I asked him how I could assist him but he refused to identify just what he wanted. He did, however, provide me with an absolutely negative opinion of this site. While I had no respect for DB before this exchange, I came away with a clear distain for the man after that. His parting statement just drove home that opinion.

[Big John]

What I'm about to do is a violation of site rules. Dudley Brown is a member of this site. Our rules clearly state that we're not to engage in personal attacks against other forum members. Through all previous conversations about DB I've held my tongue but tonight I'm going to claim the privilege of exemption to that rule based off of the efforts I make on behalf of this site. Know that I'm willing to accept any censure from my fellow staff members for this - up to and including banishment if they feel it is warranted.


I agree that the bickering is tiring but anyone who thinks DB is pro-2A must also believe that Al Sharpton wants racial harmony.

I don't state this as fact, but as my personal, and not the site's, opinion.
In my opinion, DB and his organizations (RMGO & NAGR) have literally done NOTHING positive for enhancing/re-establishing our 2A rights. As I understand it, he and his org's have suckered millions of dollars from people with his "the sky is falling" methods. As with Sharpton, actual progress to achieving his stated goals will negatively impact his bottom line.

This is what I believe. If you disagree, show me some proof that I'm wrong.

ANY progress towards restoring truly un-infringed 2A rights is still progress. As Gman said, if you insist on holding out for all or nothing then we will all be left with nothing.

ETA: Oh, and last November I had the displeasure to exchange emails on this site with Mr. Brown (which he initiated). On several occasions I asked him how I could assist him but he refused to identify just what he wanted. He did, however, provide me with an absolutely negative opinion of this site. While I had no respect for DB before this exchange, I came away with a clear distain for the man after that. His parting statement just drove home that opinion.

Very well said sir. I'm hoping there are no repercussion's for your sharing this. There are probably some here giving there money to this .org and they should know who they are giving their hard earned money to.

When one of "our own" whom is supposed to be representing us succumbs to power and greed, I don't consider it "infighting" to discuss it.

I've heard two radio interviews with DB and have received countless terrifying e-mails from his .org. I am happy to say that I never have and never will give him a dime. Us not getting 30 rounds back only ensure's DB's income. It's too bad that an org. that seem's to have some clout in the CO. political arena was not willing to get this done then use the momentum from this to go after the rest.

[Big John]

I heard the interview Mandy Connell is speaking of here and it happened exactly as she describe's it.

https://youtu.be/bFdEZC2vNSU?t=106

[hurley842002]

I agree that the bickering is tiring but anyone who thinks DB is pro-2A must also believe that Al Sharpton wants racial harmony.

I guess I should have said "allegedly pro 2a".

[Wulf202]

I agree with Hurley. I hate seeing the infighting but this isn't the same. This is us refusing to agree or associate with a known fear monger and liar. Who in my opinion is embezzling the funds of the people who think they are donating to a worthy cause.

I've had several exchanges with db over the years and none of them have been prodictive or pleasant.

I recently met someone else who claims to be employed by rmgo. Decent enough young man. I hope the organization can actually do some good with fresh blood.

[CO Hugh]

What I'm about to do is a violation of site rules. Dudley Brown is a member of this site. Our rules clearly state that we're not to engage in personal attacks against other forum members. Through all previous conversations about DB I've held my tongue but tonight I'm going to claim the privilege of exemption to that rule based off of the efforts I make on behalf of this site. Know that I'm willing to accept any censure from my fellow staff members for this - if they feel it is warranted.


I agree that the bickering is tiring but anyone who thinks DB is pro-2A must also believe that Al Sharpton wants racial harmony.

I don't state this as fact, but as my personal, and not the site's, opinion.
In my opinion, DB and his organizations (RMGO & NAGR) have literally done NOTHING positive for enhancing/re-establishing our 2A rights. As I understand it, he and his org's have suckered millions of dollars from people with his "the sky is falling" methods. As with Sharpton, actual progress to achieving his stated goals will negatively impact his bottom line.

This is what I believe. If you disagree, show me some proof that I'm wrong.

ANY progress towards restoring truly un-infringed 2A rights is still progress. As Gman said, if you insist on holding out for all or nothing then we will all be left with nothing.

ETA: Oh, and last November I had the displeasure to exchange emails on this site with Mr. Brown (which he initiated). On several occasions I asked him how I could assist him but he refused to identify just what he wanted. He did, however, provide me with an absolutely negative opinion of this site. While I had no respect for DB before this exchange, I came away with a clear distain for the man after that. His parting statement just drove home that opinion.

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!

[BREATHER]

OK. I did get a membership to RMGO before I researched. After all my research and opinions here, I am not renewing. I will not be bullied.