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    Default Caldera/Independence Institute: Editorial on RMGO 5/25

    If you haven't seen it, Caldera takes a swing at Dudley:

    http://completecolorado.com/pagetwo/...s-in-colorado/

    We at the Independence Institute take on bullies. It’s what we do.
    Bullies like to use the coercive power of government to take away individual choices, like teachers’ unions work to limit educational choice.
    Nothing exemplifies this more than the current effort by Dudley Brown, of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, who is using intimidation and threats to squelch a growing movement to re-legalize 30-round magazines, winning back 99 percent of all the gun magazines we lost in the 2013 ban.
    A guy who claims to be a no-holds-barred pro-gun activist is fighting to uphold Colorado’s new ban on any magazine that holds more than 15 rounds. Denying a woman her choice of a 16-round gun for self defense. Denying a man the choice to buy a standard 30-round mag for his AR-15.
    Bullies like Michael Bloomberg surround themselves with bodyguards who can fire a hundred rounds in a few seconds. Hypocritically, Bloomberg won’t let a domestic violence victim buy a Glock or Springfield handgun with a standard 16 or 17 round magazine. Bully Dudley Brown may already have stockpiled all the magazines he needs; he won’t let a domestic violence victim buy her first gun with a standard magazine until he can add another 100-rounder to his stockpile.
    I deliberately use the term “bully” in regards to Dudley. Not only do bullies tell other people how to live, bullies use intimidation and fear. Dudley enjoys beating elected Republicans into compliance by threatening them with ugly primaries full of malicious lies, which admittedly is a specialty of his. It is understandable that good officials fear this tactic, and I hold no ill-will to those he intimidates.
    Another bullying technique is of course using falsehoods to created straw-man arguments. A good example is Dudley’s misdirection that I said a bill to fully repeal the entire magazine ban, SB-175, could be amended to re-legalize up to 30-round mags. Of course I never said any such thing and Dudley hasn’t (and can’t) produced proof I did.
    Unlike with Dudley’s organization, the magazine ban is not a profit center for the Independence Institute. We have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars — more than we have raised — representing Colorado Sheriffs in a federal lawsuit to overturn this unconstitutional ban.
    Dudley’s contribution to the fight is to tell law-abiding citizens to “shut your pie hole,” to buy magazines illegally, and go after the real “anti-gunners.”
    We’ll take one of Dudley’s suggestions. We will go after the real “anti-gunners.” That’s why we are standing up to Dudley Brown.
    In 19 years, Dudley has raised millions of dollars from Colorado gun owners, and has never passed a pro-gun bill in the State Legislature.
    File phopassed a pro-gun bill in the State Legislature.

    Dudley vehemently opposed the bipartisan 2003 Concealed Carry Act. If Dudley had prevailed, Colorado would still be one of the small number of backwards states like Massachusetts or New York, where citizens are denied the right to carry based on the city or county where they live.
    Dudley ignores the need of female victims of domestic abusers and stalkers who need their first gun immediately.
    Bills to fully repeal the mag ban twice failed this legislative session, but if the phony fundraiser Dudley Brown really supported gun owners, we could win back 99 percent of what we lost on our way to full repeal.
    Second Amendment rights aren’t abstract debating points. For people who must defend themselves, they are survival itself. Callously, Dudley Brown, like Michael Bloomberg, puts himself ahead of the people who most desperately need the Second Amendment. Crime victims — especially women, the disabled and others — need the tools to resist violent bullies right now. Not in some far-off hypothetical day when Dudley Brown for the first time in his life passes a pro-Second Amendment bill for this state.
    We might have to wait until next year to get to a vote. As long as necessary, we will continue to fight to expand our gun rights, one round at a time if needed.

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    Wow. They actually took it easy on him

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    I still can't understand why anyone gives him or his organization any money...but then Obummer is in office too.
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    I agree with Caldara (and most folk here) when it comes to Dudley ... I don't trust him, I don't like him and I don't think he's helping our cause as much as he's helping himself (I've gone so far as to blame him for the stupid gun control laws since he allowed his narcissistic need to have his ring kissed get in the way of the Republicans keeping the Senate which would have prevented all this mess).

    That said, in this one tiny little area, just like the proverbial broken clock, I think he's right ... if we got the ban "tweaked" so we could get our 30 rd magazines back that would take the fire out of the bellies of the vast majority of Colorado gun owners and that's it, none of the other laws (especially the most egregious one, the Universal Background Check law) will ever be repealed and we'll all still continue with this Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads; that one day they ban will be "tweaked" again against us.

    We must eliminate the very idea that Denver has any right to have any say in what size magazines we use.
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Woohoo, the weekly jump on Dudley thread.
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    Weak men create hard times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Pook View Post
    Woohoo, the weekly jump on Dudley thread.

    If Dudley doesn't want to be denigrated, he can start putting some points on the board for our team.

    As it is now, he's all show, and no go.
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    If there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to buy a gun, there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to vote.

    For legal reasons, that's a joke.

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    Gun rights weren't lost in one fell swoop. Gun control has historically been instituted via incremental measures.

    Likewise, gun rights won't be won back in one great and ecstatic act of wholesale repeal.

    Politics simply doesn't work that way, and frankly, I'll happily take an incremental real-world victory over an imaginary wholesale one.

    If tweaking the magazine ban to make it less repressive is all it takes for gun rights supporters to pack up and go home, shame on us, but such an argument still at least envisions a world where our gun rights are better off, if only by a bit, than they are now.
    RATATATATATATATATATATABLAM

    If there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to buy a gun, there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to vote.

    For legal reasons, that's a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    Gun rights weren't lost in one fell swoop. Gun control has historically been instituted via incremental measures.

    Likewise, gun rights won't be won back in one great and ecstatic act of wholesale repeal.

    Politics simply doesn't work that way, and frankly, I'll happily take an incremental real-world victory over an imaginary wholesale one.

    If tweaking the magazine ban to make it less repressive is all it takes for gun rights supporters to pack up and go home, shame on us, but such an argument still at least envisions a world where our gun rights are better off, if only by a bit, than they are now.
    I see that point, but people on our side simply don't work that way.

    The only thing that gets our side even remotely politically active is severe pain ... relieve the pain down to a dull ache and they'll sit on their laurels and just bitch and moan but not do anything.

    If we get 30 round magazines back I'll be happy but I won't pretend for a minute that it won't mean that the fight is over as far as most Colorado gun owners are concerned and we'll be stuck with the UBC law and magazine bans forever.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Everytime I read one of these threads, I understand more and more, why we are in the spot we are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurley842002 View Post
    Everytime I read one of these threads, I understand more and more, why we are in the spot we are in.
    Infighting as opposed to a unified front against our opposition?

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