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Originally Posted by KellyTTE
I understand that completely. but this does not mean we roll over and play dead. We owe it to our selves, our children and to those who fought and bled to make this country what it was laid out to be.
Perfectly stated Poncho. I might even take an exact quote of what you said and post it on other boards.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I'm personally pretty sick of all the Obama hate. I don't hate Obama at all. It's the other people in his party, and the people that he owes favors to that I have a problem with.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Wow. Your ok with government take over of private industry, nationalizing health care, and handing out bail outs to those who don't deserve a hand shake? Obama is a fucking fraud. Plain and simple.
I don't like any of the sonova bitches in office, but he's the puppet master.
No no, I'm not okay with any of that. I personally don't think that he is the puppet master, just the mouth piece. Sometimes I get confused with what I post on each board. I kind of feel like I know what the people Obama owes favors to want, but I've never been sure of what kinds of things he wants to do. I'm sure I wouldn't agree with him on many things.
I guess I just get sick of the whole Obama thing just like I was sick of the Bush thing. People tend to think that without Bush/Obama, all of those things they (we) hate would never have happened. You know what I mean? I don't like any of the stuff that is going on, but I can't comfortably look at Obama and say, "This is your fault, without you, none of this would happen!" Because it's just not true. I have the same anger, I just direct it differently.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I understand. It's just when you fight for something as has your family for this country and watch it being pissed away has a different meaning to me than others.
there were folks saying that bush stole the presidency, right up until the day he left office.
only fair that obie get the same treatment.
hopefully he'll be able to wrap up his campaign before 2012.
uncoordinated rebellion?
Nice, however... I'm not necessarilly interested in lasting the longest per se. I am interested in freedom and liberty and all those good things! Using the Terminator movies as an example: I don't want to "survive" the rise of the machines. I want to prevent it! Surviving the government's attacks on freedom does not look like very much fun... I would much rather prevent those attacks!
But here's something to chew on... When the government has "crossed the line" and "gone too far", I will take up my gun and fight back. But fighting as an individual will just get me jailed or killed. Everyone draws the line at a different level. Where is that line for you? How can we coordinate a counter-attack to defend the constitution if we cannot coordinate at all?
ETA (Edited to Add): ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
This has been a VERY interesting thread to read, it really has. Personally, I'm so far right I'm about to swing left, so I have a very biased view if things but there is one thing I believe is quite certain, and I have believed this for a very long time, and that is that civil war will be upon us again. We are in a catch 22 with Obama. First off, let me state without pause, that I am not FOR a civil war or any violence against the leader of the free world - no matter how much I disagree or dislike him - it shames our country. That being said, there are far too many factors going on here. For instance, if someone were to kill Obama then we have the makings for a civil war in that the black population would, I believe, rise up in violence against whites - then whites against blacks. Civil war. If someone doesn't kill Obama then we have the status quo, and now we have this country bitterly divided between the Obama lovers and Obama haters (and more so, republicans vs democrats). Look at these "town hall" meetings, showing that the conservative voice is FINALLY getting out there - we have taken it in the ear too long and are tiring of the establishment. If we don't find a resolution then we could easily end up in civil war, if for no other reason than many of the reasons stated in this thread.
I don't want a civil war. While some may see this as a cleansing of our government (and even our founding fathers alluded to this fact), it would rip our country into two or more smaller parts (can anyone say Czechoslovakia?) and end with the death of many thousands of Americans. Just because I don't WANT a war, doesn't mean I won't prepare for one in case everything goes to hell fast.
Of course I don't know what will happen and can hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I won't stand idly by and watch it happen, I will use every LEGAL means at my disposal to voice my dissent against this tyrant and his policies and can only hope that is enough. He will come for my guns, you can guarantee that my friends, and I will not go quietly.
So much hatred of Obama is very much like the hatred of Bush. I liked Bush, the first term, and thought he was a terrible leader the second term. I like HIM as a man, but as a president he left something to be desired. My own beloved party has gotten out of control, trying so hard to be "moderate" and instituting leftist policies just to appear middle of the road - they have abandoned their principals and have left me with a bitter taste for my party.
We have gone in this country from a position of not agreeing with the opposing party to outright hatred of the opposing party. This gets worse and wore each year and it will come to blows before it's over. Whether or not Obama ruins this country is ALMOST besides the point, we are doing it without him. I'm guilty of this, I freely admit it, I have now gotten to the point that I refuse to associate with a liberal because I detest them and their love of this dictator they elected as well as their outright hatred of the country I love.
Anyway, I figured I would use this as a soapbox to vent. I'm sure many of you may not agree with my standpoints, but this is how I see things and it's actually nice to put them down every once in a while (gotta LOVE America).
Oh, and God Bless the U.S.A!!!!!
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.] -- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
“I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.” ~ Nathan Hale (final words before being hanged by the British, September 22, 1776.)
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