2015 Fatal police shootings. Averaging 2 a day for the year.

[Bailey Guns]

What recent incident are you talking about? In the one I'm thinking of, the runner took the officer's Tazer. I still don't know enough about the case to want to render judgment but I can at least understand a fear for life when someone pulled and ran off with the Tazer after a struggle.

I'm not sure what incident this is, either, so I can't comment to it specifically.

But we considered someone taking OC (I left the PD before Taser use became widespread) from an officer an act that warranted a deadly force response. I'd guess taking a Taser from an officer would be the same.

[Irving]

If this is the video you are referring to:

https://youtu.be/JCh8HhZ3Bww

The former police officer has been charged with murder and fired. Video from just about any source is important. Video isn't perfect, but it is better than almost any eyewitness account.

I'm not sure what incident this is, either, so I can't comment to it specifically.

But we considered someone taking OC (I left the PD before Taser use became widespread) from an officer an act that warranted a deadly force response. I'd guess taking a Taser from an officer would be the same.

This one.

[Bailey Guns]

OK...I remember that one. Yeah, that's gonna be tough to defend. Then again, I think only his lawyer is trying to defend him. He's already been fired, arrested and charged with murder. What else is there?

[cstone]

OK...I remember that one. Yeah, that's gonna be tough to defend. Then again, I think only his lawyer is trying to defend him. He's already been fired, arrested and charged with murder. What else is there?

Conviction and sentencing?

[Hound]

Cool, Cstone

Being a cop, might I ask a question and make a suggestion. Nobody said the bad guys are smart, obviously. But we all have a fight or flight response and I think we can all agree our legs can take off before our brains engage. One thing that we all see within the media is that it does not matter if you give up nice or just keep going once that first step of running has started. If I am running and do stop please explain why they still have to be so violent? I get the concern of playing possum and just catching their breath to fight more but what is the training and how could you peacefully give up without getting a knee to the neck? Second the suggestion. The media always likes to show the "takedown". It almost always looks like regardless of what the 'perp' does 'their bringing the ass kicking with them". This does not give anybody reason to stop if they are screwed either way. Cops do need to be safe but the perception in the community is damned if ya do damed if ya don't. Realizing this perception and getting it changed can be a big step in getting a stupid first act to stop. I gurantee the guy shot in the back was FREAKED OUT. I doubt he knew how to stop because of this perception.

[Bailey Guns]

Conviction and sentencing?

I know you were being tongue-in-cheek, but that's my point. We have to let the system work for everyone. Nothing else can be done to this guy at this point.

[cstone]

First, I believe we all agree that not having an outstanding warrant or being in the process of fleeing your crime scene would be helpful. Once you start running and the pursuit begins, you are sort of at the mercy of whoever catches you first. Stopping quickly or not running in the first place usually means you are only dealing with one or possibly two officers. If you run and all of the surrounding departments have a chance to converge on your bail out, you stand a pretty good chance of being dog piled. No guaranty but stopping for the first officer and getting on your knees or on your face makes it less likely you will be thrown to the ground. Listening to the officers commands and doing what you are told increased the chance that you will not get your shoulder dislocated and a knee in the small of your back.

Some variation of the Use of Force Continuum is taught in every LE academy in the country.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforc...continuum.aspx

Last, pray that there are lots of people video taping your interaction with the police. The ubiquitous nature of video cameras in the USA is IMO what is driving many of today's issues.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The video cleary (this is not up for discussion if you saw the video) shows the only way that guy 'took' the tazer was in the back as he was running with the leads and wires sticking out of him. Then he gets shot. Even if that were not true and he had the 'gun' itself, which it is, tazers are a one shot and done tool. If its been discharged... thats it. Some allow you more jolts of juice but as far as firing it again... Ain't gonna happen.

Mmm ... no, the video unclearly shows the wires sticking out of Slager and the Taser dropping to the ground as Scott fled. The guy who took the video said he heard the Taser go off but his testimony assumes Slager used it on Scott. He later admitted Scott had the Taser but said he didn't try to use it against Slager -- yet it looks like the darts are in Slager, not Scott. Things would certainly have been better if Slager had realized the Taser had discharged already and not shot since it clearly didn't pose a threat anymore but I don't know if Slager knew that. I'm sure the question of what he was thinking and when will be brought up in his trial. As has been mentioned, he was fired and arrested. I would venture his defense attorney will bring up analysis like this: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...aser-struggle/ and the DA will work to debunk it.

[cstone]

I read the analysis in the piece. Interesting and I am certain some of the information will come up at trial. Even if that is what happened, I would be hard pressed to justify shooting a fleeing man numerous times in the back. The video is pretty clear on that point. While the officer was pulling the trigger, his target was the dead man's back. I think that is what the jury will focus on, but that is only my opinion.

As a sidenote, some of the comments below the story make that site seem like it leans a shade racist. I realize those are just comments, but like here and most Internet sites, unless the owners, and moderators of a site take some proactive steps to guard against the fringe, the site runs the risk of being tainted regardless of the possible good information found on the site. The moderators here do the best they can to prevent that from happening. It may offend some members, but I hope most of the long term, contributing members understand the community here is for everyone who loves this country, enjoys firearms, and wants to be a part of this community. This forum is not a good old boys club, despite how many good old boys (including myself) we already have.

[Jamnanc]

If you watch said video, you can see the officer go pick up, "casually", the taser, and drop it next to the runners dying body. It was a terrible shoot, but the officer is being punished in the system as he should be. So why does it have any sway in this conversation?