Older Leather necks, help expose a fraud?

[Daniel_187]

A guy at work ( former USMC maybe) claims that the course of fire for the USMC boot camp is out to 700 meters iron sights. That seems a little far for irons. I was looking around online and found this
http://www.usmcweapons.com/the-m16a2...cation-course/

Is this the normal course of fire? and has it been the same for a while? He said he was in around 1992-1993, and a lot of his stories seem to be BS Like carrying a .45 acp Beretta 92F. and A lot of his time frames don't seem to match up.

[Fentonite]

He's a liar on both counts.

Basic rifle qual was 200, 300, 500 yards (ETA: meters)

Pistol was the Beretta M9.

(At least from '88-94)

[USMC88-93]

Page 64-------> http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/MCO%203574.2K.pdf

If he is talking qualification with the M-16 he is Full of it. If he is talking about training with other weapons post basic in a weapons specific MOS than there are some weapons with beaten zones that can extend out that far but not likely for qualification purposes.

During that time the change over from the 1911 to the M9 was occurring and many non grunt bases might still of had 1911 in their armory. I barely missed being able to qualify with a 1911 while at El Toro and Tustin in the early 90's

[ben4372]

He may just be dumb. I worked with a guy that was in the army in the 80's and swore his M16 was a .308. Nice guy, got to know him, solid guy. Just not a gun guy or a stickler for details. Let's not forget the tails get taller as people get older.

[MarkUSMC88]

500m was good enough for that "baker" target

[Joe_K]

As far as I'm aware the Marine Corps has always qualed at 200, 300, & 500 YARDS, not Meters. That's how it was when I was in, my Great Uncle a Vietnam and Korean War Marine, as well as 2 friends of mine one who served in the 80's and the other in the 90's.

Then again Marines haven't always had the reputation for being the sharpest tacks in the drawer.

[Hound]

This was going to be my guess. He is mixing up the 1911 .45 with the Beretta 9mm. I started out (Navy not Marines though) carrying a .45 on watch and then that got replaced with 9mm later. All of that was in the 90's.

During that time the change over from the 1911 to the M9 was occurring and many non grunt bases might still of had 1911 in their armory. I barely missed being able to qualify with a 1911 while at El Toro and Tustin in the early 90's

[BPTactical]

Then again Marines haven't always had the reputation for being the sharpest tacks in the drawer.

But they can impregnate anything......

[Marine24]

Rifle marksmanship in the Marine Corps has evolved over the past few years and changed significantly back in '07. Previously we shot KD (known distance) courses at the ranges mentioned above, but big change in '07 with a shift from fundamental marksmanship skills at known distance to combat marksmanship. Timed stages at shorter more realistic distances with stages set up for headshots, controlled pairs and engaging moving targets were introduced, while wearing helmets, flak jackets...etc. Days of shooting in your cammies with a soft cover are gone.

Intermediate and advance combat marksmanship quals were also introduced with day/night shoots, unknown distance stages, use of iron sights, optical sights and night vision. Stuff we always did in our normal training, but no one was keeping score, and more times than not, involved shooting blanks and using BFAs.

[Joe_K]

But they can impregnate anything......

Was that in reference to your Mother.....