SCOTUS Affirms ACA

[thvigil11]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some of you guys on this one... I don't care how bad you project it will be in 50 years, it will be MUCH WORSE if we are spilling each others' blood in the streets. I don't want my children to grow up in that world. They will be critical thinkers, reasoners, and supporters of liberty, but I would much rather they use their reason and pens until reason and pens are simply no longer an option. We are not yet at the stage of the game.

I want you to be right, HB. I truly do. In fact I've never wanted to be more wrong on something than this. But I can't help but think the way I do.

[asmo]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some of you guys on this one... I don't care how bad you project it will be in 50 years, it will be MUCH WORSE if we are spilling each others' blood in the streets. I don't want my children to grow up in that world. They will be critical thinkers, reasoners, and supporters of liberty, but I would much rather they use their reason and pens until reason and pens are simply no longer an option. We are not yet at the stage of the game.

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe

[Bailey Guns]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some of you guys on this one... I don't care how bad you project it will be in 50 years, it will be MUCH WORSE if we are spilling each others' blood in the streets. I don't want my children to grow up in that world. They will be critical thinkers, reasoners, and supporters of liberty, but I would much rather they use their reason and pens until reason and pens are simply no longer an option. We are not yet at the stage of the game.

I'd say we're not even close to that stage of the game. Anyone who wishes for that is a fool. Not saying it should never happen, but it needs to be a lot worse than what it is now. Personally, I believe if we could just take over the education system (like the leftists did several years ago) we wouldn't have to do anything else. It might take a couple of generations but it would solve the problem. And it worked for the left...we just need to take back schools and colleges and young minds and it'll work for the right.

[thvigil11]

I'd say we're not even close to that stage of the game. Anyone who wishes for that is a fool. Not saying it should never happen, but it needs to be a lot worse than what it is now. Personally, I believe if we could just take over the education system (like the leftists did several years ago) we wouldn't have to do anything else. It might take a couple of generations but it would solve the problem. And it worked for the left...we just need to take back schools and colleges and young minds and it'll work for the right.

"If" you could, sure it would work. I just don't see it happening. Them ticks are too dug in. And the left will never relent. Conservatives have relented time and time again. 70+ years of failure to take a stand on things that really mattered. If what we have seen in the past 7 years has not been enough for the right to get their shit together, then what is it gonna take? If we did this, if we did that, so on and so on. We have failed over and over to do this or that. Even when we really tried, what good did it do. I ain't quitting, nor am I advocating violence, I'm just sayin its over.

Always been once for lost causes anyway.

[sellersm]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some of you guys on this one... I don't care how bad you project it will be in 50 years, it will be MUCH WORSE if we are spilling each others' blood in the streets. I don't want my children to grow up in that world. They will be critical thinkers, reasoners, and supporters of liberty, but I would much rather they use their reason and pens until reason and pens are simply no longer an option. We are not yet at the stage of the game.

Unfortunately, history proves otherwise. In almost all major conflicts in the past, if the oppressed had fought off the oppressor at the first sign of oppression, things would've turned out different. As the saying goes, if they're going to create a group of criminals with the stroke of a pen, then you might as well act like one...

I've said it in other threads, I'll say it again here: we're not dealing with just 'ordinary folks' today. It's evil. Gotta know how to fight evil, otherwise you're toast...

[brutal]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon with some of you guys on this one... I don't care how bad you project it will be in 50 years, it will be MUCH WORSE if we are spilling each others' blood in the streets. I don't want my children to grow up in that world. They will be critical thinkers, reasoners, and supporters of liberty, but I would much rather they use their reason and pens until reason and pens are simply no longer an option. We are not yet at the stage of the game.

HB,

Unfortunately, I think the only way your kids have a bright future as contributing members of a sound society is if we get an early collapse and a total reset to conservative values and leadership.

The country is morally bankrupt and on the road to financial ruin. The system is not sustainable on it's current path and things are guaranteed to keep getting worse unless there's a paradigm shift.

[HoneyBadger]

HB,

Unfortunately, I think the only way your kids have a bright future as contributing members of a sound society is if we get an early collapse and a total reset to conservative values and leadership.

The country is morally bankrupt and on the road to financial ruin. The system is not sustainable on it's current path and things are guaranteed to keep getting worse unless there's a paradigm shift.

I completely understand what you are saying, but I don't think a collapse and rebuild is possible in a single generational timeframe. Am I being unreasonable? Maybe with the speed of tech these days it could happen a lot faster, but I think once the US becomes a 3rd world country, we can't exactly just step right back up to the plate.

[Singlestack]

I tend to agree with the Badger, but it is clear that conservatives have already lost SCOTUS. Some speculate that the admin must have blackmailed Roberts for his about face. Remember, Breyer was appointed by either Reagan or Bush1 and was supposed to be a reliably conservative vote. However, from his time in SCOTUS he has reliably voted lib.

At some point the next landmark 2A case will come up and I am not hopeful it will go the way of Heller.

[sellersm]

At some point the next landmark 2A case will come up and I am not hopeful it will go the way of Heller.

Won't need to if the TPA/Fast-Track/TPP debacle happens. POTUS can just negotiate & sign the UN Small Arms Treaty and, bam!, our 2A rights are gone.

[Mtn.man]

Anyone who ever crossed the clinton's is now taking a dirt nap.