SCOTUS Affirms ACA

[brutal]

Thanks for adding your insight to the discussion....

If you quote him, my ignore doesn't work.

[Big John]

This is exactly right. There's no guarantee the results of an internal conflict are going to be favorable to whatever side you're on.



Yeah... That's smart and makes tons of sense. Good luck with that. Sometimes there just aren't enough face-palms.

So your way is the only way? You are free to choose to be the eternal (frustrated) optimist. I'd love to be able to take that stance. I may take this stance with you in the end. I will not know until the primary. If the primary doesn't produce a candidate that holds the values I deem necessary to stop the bleeding, voting R will no longer be an option for me.

[buffalobo]

Everybody keep it civil or get the weekend off.

sent from my electronic ball and chain

[DavieD55]

Congress could defund commiecare at 8 am tomorrow morning if they wanted to, Article 1 Section 7 of the US Constitution. People still have a whole lot of power in their hands but are apathetic, ignorant, and too busy doing all that important s--- like sitting around in the evenings watching propaganda and all that other BS on TV, playing video games etc.

[thvigil11]

ACA was never meant to live forever anyway. Its design is to worm its way into our system and crash healthcare as we know it. Paving the way for single payer. Sadly the libs will claim victory when it fails and its failure will be hung around the neck of the republicans. In the same way that the southern dems brought about jim crow and even the whole damn confed flag bs in the first place, but now they've rewritten the history so it was the republican party that was the party of segregation. Fun times....... where's my whiskey?

[HoneyBadger]

where's my whiskey?

...At Costco, waiting for you to buy it in bulk.

[thvigil11]

...At Costco, waiting for you to buy it in bulk.

Damn straight. They've got the best deal going on Fireball. Gonna be a good friday night! Cheers HB!

[davsel]

who says if we had a restart that we would restart as a Constitution based country? Who says we would be better off? I think it is foolish to think that if we had a civil war, the final product would be a country based on a 200+ year old document. It could be that the country becomes something we hate I think to many of you are thinking the war will only be fought by like minded individuals who will then be the only ones who get to make decisions about the reformed government. I also find it interesting that MOST (not all) of the people wanting a war either never actually served in a war, or have no children or children that are long grown. I think people have no clue about how bad war can be. Just because when we fight our wars now they are fairly clean and we have resourses and medical care, doesnt mean it would be that way if we had another civil war.

And no, I have no idea what the answers are on how to fix it.

^Precisely.

Revolution/Civil War does not often create a Republic.
It usually results in a series of dictators that then must be overthrown.
It's a long terrible process to get back to the start.

"There is nothing new under the sun."


Good read at: http://thoughts-and-stuff-zwright.bl...on-of-all.html

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

The words of Thomas Jefferson above can be an advertisement to how serious the Founding Fathers took the preservation of liberty. They understood the natural progression of Governments. They all begin as Republics that respect and honor the individual rights and liberties of each and every man. Taking great care to preserve those liberties and understanding that limited Government was the only way in which to insure that continuity.

But along the way Governments somehow evolve into a concept that the individual rights are not as important as the will of the majority. An evolved belief that Majority Rule should be the prevailing concept…where it is put to a vote and the majority determines the rules, regulations, laws and proper conduct of society.

Recognizing that with each such vote the rights and liberties of more and more citizens are infringed upon in the name of Majority Rule.

The Founding Fathers understood how dangerous this concept would be to the ultimate destruction of Government and leading the way eventually to the concept of rule by a single man…a single man that would make himself or herself, king, queen, monarch, dictator or even eventually to the point of absolute tyrant.

The natural progression of government then becomes one of:

Republic → Democracy → Single Rule (Monarchy, Dictator, Tyranny) → Revolution
↑________________And the Process Begins Again___________________↓

The average existence of all governments since the beginning is approximately 200 years before the process begins anew. Some much longer, some much shorter to derive the average, but the Founding Fathers advocated the reality of forcing the Government back to its roots on a periodic basis.

Consider this phrase taken directly from the Declaration of Independence and you will understand where they were coming from and what they were trying to protect:

“…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.”

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

Have we as a people forgotten the powerful concepts that our Founding Fathers put in place for this “Great American Experiment”, or have we ventured into the evolution of the natural progression of Government that they so greatly feared. When you look at the dissolution of the two party system and the presumption of power assumed by the executive branch through the use of Executive Orders and Proclamations; the melting away of the three branches of Government where are we on that fatal timeline.

Maybe it is time for all of America to take a strong look at our Government, who the real power brokers are and determine how we will return this great nation to one of a Republic and restore the principles of the Constitution.

[thvigil11]

Who says we want another country like this. I was thinking of the People's Republic of Thvigil11. Who wants to be my Generallisimo who will eventually lead the coup to overthrow my brutal regime?

[HoneyBadger]

Who says we want another country like this. I was thinking of the People's Republic of Thvigil11. Who wants to be my Generallisimo who will eventually lead the coup to overthrow my brutal regime?

I'd prefer a dictatorship, where the dictator is someone who will generally let people dictate their own damn lives and then force the people to stop demanding that anyone gives a fuck about their facebook, twitter, instragram, etc.




Also, anyone with hurt feelings will be required to fill out a hurt feelings report and then post it with their name in the public square for a period of 30 days for public ridicule: