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    Thats Jake.. He was the love of my life for many years. He was the absolute best dog I have ever had in my entire life (and I have had many dogs - and worked with many many more). He was beautiful, he was intelligent, he was incredibly loyal, he was happy, he was everything you could ever want in a dog. He was also a royal pain the ass if he wanted to be.

    Rotties are a special breed. I can't say they are like any other dog I have had. One one hand he was a giant lazy teddy bear who would lick you to death - on the other hand if his mind was made up to do something there was no stopping him. I have hundreds of great Jake stories where he protected me or my wife, or of him doing dumb things and just plain being a lovable idiot. I also have stories where he and I would have to have come-to-Jesus meetings about every 6 months until he was about 5 years old.

    The biggest thing I have see with good Rotties vs. Rotties that give the breed a bad name is having really good pack leading Rottie owners. The Rottie *demands* and Alpha in the household. If its not you or your wife, then it will be the Rottie (and the last thing you want is a Rottie who thinks they are in charge). You have to play dominance games with them when they are young (its critical) and then every once in awhile when they are older. Good/Great Rotties come from houses where there are rules - and the rules are consistently enforced -- and one of those rules must be that the dog is a dog and not a human. I'm not saying dont spoil the dog rotten with affection, love, and time (please please do) - but there has to be a clear demarcation between the humans and the dog.

    Think of it like this, if you have a 150 lb dog that can rip apart a human in seconds flat, you need to be the one the dog loves and respects - if your not, bad things can happen.

    Only last word of advice on Rotties - if you have one, expect 90% of the general public to respond in fear and panic. Jake loved going to "Barker Days" where they close the pool in Parker and let all the dogs swim around. Jake was also incredibly well behaved around humans and other dogs and never showed an ounce of aggressiveness (unless he was commanded to - he was still a Schutzhund trained dog). That said, people would dive out of our way, complain to the management that we had an aggressive breed around all these children, and basically make fucking fools out of themselves.

    Example story: We had one busybody in the neighborhood walk her two little squeeky toy dogs down the street in front of the house. Jake was always off-leash in the front yard (see pic above) and would just hang out while we did yard work. He wouldn't move and was just content to watch the day go by. The lady saw the dog and started SCREAMING in the street, then here little yappy things started barking at Jake. Jake never moved, never growled, never did anything. The lady LOST HER SHIT AND RAN TO THE END OF THE BLOCK pulling her yappy dogs all the way. 5 mins later DCSO pulls up with sirens going. The officer comes up and says that they got a complaint that Jake had tried to kill the ladies dogs and was trying to attack the woman. Whole time Jake is just laying there. So we tell the officer what happened and explain Jake's demeanor. The officer calms down a bit and I call Jake over. Jake sits and then I have him lay down. Jake proceeds to roll over on his back, stomach totally exposed, and paw at the cops leg to get the cop to pet him. Super ferocious you know. Officer goes an interviews the lady and comes back later to tell us that the woman doesn't think anyone should own "a killer attack dog" and that had told the cop about 10 different versions of the story during the time he interviewed her.

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    So all that said - a Rottie is much more mellow that a GSD, but in different ways. If you want the size of a Rottie with the temperament of a lab - get an English Mastiff.

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    I really appreciate the Rottie stories - that confirms a lot of what I had thought and expect. I had a 100+lb American Bulldog for the past 10 years (Bacon, below - who was my 'Jake' in a lot of ways - needed the Alpha in the house, but was a big lovable sweetheart), and I miss the guy (and having a big dog around.) He passed a year ago, so now we're thinking about another big guy. I also have a similar Parker PD story to yours, btw - went all the way to court, and the city attorney realized she didn't have a case at all (after both meeting with the judge once, and then I showed her the conditions of city statutes for an aggressive dog) - and she dismissed the charge.

    Did you get Jake from a CO breeder? I'd like to find someone that leaves their puppies' tails undocked. That nonsense needs to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erni View Post
    +1 to everything said here. Looked at one and also a husky for a few days and decided not to go there, as they are high maintenance and the 4 foot fence we have would not be good enough. Went with a GSD. ​ If you want a pet go with American lines on GSD, if you want a work dog get a Deutschland GSD.​ Even then the dog was highly driven and started challenging me for alpha until we clipped him.
    I can highly recommend the breeder we got him from. I constantly get comments on how he is the best behaving GSD anyone has met.

    I have to disagree most vehemently. I have had GSDs all my life, with all different bloodlines. American lines have many more health problems. European line dogs have better temperaments, hips, elbows, and overall health. Training early, like at weaning is imparitive.
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    Three of my boys. The GSD on the left is an Austrian import, no health problems at all after 4+ years. The GSD on the right only had a little american line blood, but had lots of allergy issues and other problems. I love them all but the imports are much lower maintenance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    Interesting choice. Red dogs are smart and hard workers. Very versatile. Most of the ones I knew of were coming from Germany into the Lackland AFB training program. Have you looked into some of the DoD or other government adoption/foster programs?
    We had one of those Lackland AFB dogs when I was growing up. He was the meanest dog we ever had....lol. My dad bought him home with a muzzle on him. After about 6 months he then became one of the best dogs we ever had growing up. Super smart..he could open gates, climb/jump fences with ease and loved to chase everything he could! Always protected us and never left our side. I used to walk..or he used to pull me on my bike down the street and everything- humans, animals whatever gave him the right of way. He was a beautiful and majestic dog. He is best known in our family for keeping people in their car from behind a 6 foot fence...they wouldn't even come in our driveway!!! Forgot to mention he was a German shepherd...solid black!

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    The people I got my GSD were all from Germany and there dogs came with them. They were all in the house when I got her as a pup, I had to talk to there 17 year old kid to understand what we were all talking about. I do agree that German blood lines are more healthy, the people I got her from assured me she was from a farm working line of dogs and they lived in Elizabeth on a working cattle farm.Click image for larger version. 

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    When she is " on track " you may need to break her concentration by being a little more firm.
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    Cute pups, what a team.

    My GSD is 4 years old now and so far no isses, knock on wood. So I am lucky that this perticular one has been healthy. Part of it due to doing our research and finding a healthy stock.
    Here is a link to his daddys page
    http://crystalcreekshepherds.com/Sires/Ronin/ronin.html
    His pedigree shows 4 generations of OFA stock.

    So folks do your research.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyshoe View Post
    we have a belgian malinois and he has been the most amazing dog. we got him when he was about a year old and he seemed insecure and skittish. i am not a dog trainer but i've worked with him some and he is just a joy to have now. he is very gentle with my five children and our chickens. he is very playful and has a ton of energy but he can also turn it down and chill. from what i've seen, that isn't normal, but that's what my mali is like. he is super smart and teachable. he gets super affectionate when i come home from work. if you have any questions about the breed, feel free to message me and i'll do my best to answer them.

    we have been thinking about breeding him since we love the breed so much now, but we're not sure we want to deal with all the haters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erni View Post
    Cute pups, what a team.

    My GSD is 4 years old now and so far no isses, knock on wood. So I am lucky that this perticular one has been healthy. Part of it due to doing our research and finding a healthy stock.
    Here is a link to his daddys page
    http://crystalcreekshepherds.com/Sires/Ronin/ronin.html
    His pedigree shows 4 generations of OFA stock.

    So folks do your research.


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    Yep, makes a huge difference. My GSD still launches herself from the deck to retrieve and she turns eleven in February. I try to get her to slow down but she hasn't yet.
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