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    Default Perspective on the "religion of Peace" from a gun range owner

    http://janmorganmedia.com/2014/10/ha...on-tells-kill/


    Handing a Loaded Gun to a Man Whose Religion Tells Him to Kill Me

    IN JMM ARTICLES / BY JAN MORGAN / ON OCTOBER 1, 2014 AT 8:26 PM


    About the author: Jan is a nationally recognized 2nd Amendment Advocate/Speaker/ NRA Certified Firearms Instructor/ Associated Press Award winning investigative journalist/ Owner/Editor JanMorganMedia.com, Sr. Editor/Patriot Update/ Independent Constitutional Conservative. She is closely aligned with the Republican/ ... [READ JAN MORGAN'S FULL BIO]


    When I wrote about why I no longer want islamists in my indoor shooting range, I was called vile names, told I should kill myself, smeared and attacked from every angle.
    However, those people fail to realize that when you have had your life threatened repeatedly by people who worship Muhammad, and, you know the level of violence that devout islamists are capable of, (as we all saw recently in Oklahoma) the petty name calling, smears, and personal attacks seem insignificant.
    The fact is…I have heard from literally thousands of people from around the world.. many business owners in America who tell me they feel exactly the same way I do… yet they remain quiet out of fear. I have heard from thousands of people around the country who are supportive of my position.
    To understand why I arrived at my position, you must first take in to consideration the nature of my business.
    This is not a coffee and donut shop. This is a live fire indoor shooting range. People come here to buy, rent, and shoot lethal weapons.
    In the range, people are shooting guns in close proximity to each other, so my patrons depend on me and my discretion regarding who I allow to shoot beside them.
    One mistake in judgement on my part could cost innocent people their lives.

    The primary reasons I do not want devout islamists shooting at my range are listed:
    1) The Koran (which I have read and studied thoroughly) and (which all muslims align themselves with), contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam.
    Read those verses of violence HERE at this link: https://www.facebook.com/notes/jan-m...50288799819261

    2) My life has been threatened repeatedly by muslims in response to my publication of those verses from their Koran. Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?
    3) * Muslims, who belong to and, or, support ISIS, are threatening to kill innocent
    Americans
    * Muslims, who belong to or support AL Qaeda, are threatening to kill innocent
    Americans.
    * Muslims who belong to or support HAMAS are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    See a common thread here?

    4) Two Muslims walked in to my range last week with allah akbar ring tone and message alert tones on their smart phones. They spoke very little english, one did not have proof of U.S. citizenship, yet they wanted to rent and shoot guns. They were constantly glancing toward the cameras in the range, then looking at each other and speaking in their own language.
    Their behavior was so strange, it frightened my patrons. No one would enter the range to shoot while they were there. Some of my customers left.
    (can you blame them?)

    5) * The barbaric act of beheading an innocent American in Oklahoma by a muslim
    * the Boston bombings(by muslims)
    * the Foot Hood mass shooting (by a muslim) that killed 13 people and injured over 30
    people
    * and the murder of 3000 innocent people (by muslims) on 9/11
    This is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of muslims to substantiate my position that muslims can and may follow the directives in their Koran and kill here at home.

    6) I have a federal firearms licence… The ATF informed us when we received the license that if we feel any reason for concern about selling someone a firearm, even sense that something is not right about an individual, or if we are concerned about that persons mental state, even if they pass a background check, we do not have to sell that person a gun. Two different ATF agents stressed that it is better to err on the side of caution.
    In other words, a federal agency has given FFL’s discretion on firearms deals. An FFL can turn people away if there is any concern about their behavior and or indications that the person might use the firearm in the commission of a crime.

    7) I understand that not all muslims are terrorists. I also believe there are as many Muslims who do not know what is in their Koran as there are Christians who do not know what is in their Bible.
    Since I have no way of discerning which muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands in their koran, I choose to err on the side of caution for the safety of my patrons, just as I would anyone else who aligns himself with an organization that commands him to commit crimes against innocent people.

    8) On the issue of religious discrimination:
    I view Islam as a theocracy, not a religion. Islam is the union of political, legal, and religious ideologies. In other words, law, religion and state are forged together to form what Muslims refer to as “The Nation of Islam.”
    It is given the sovereign qualities of a nation with clerics in the governing body and Sharia law all in one. This is a Theocracy, not a religion.
    The US Constitution does not protect a theocracy.
    The 1st Amendment is very specific about protecting the rights of individuals from the government, as it concerns the practice of religions, not theocracies.
    It clearly differentiates between government and religion. Again protecting the individual’s religious beliefs and practices from (the state) government.
    In Islam religion and state are one.
    We are a Nation governed by laws, the U.S. Constitution. We are not a Nation that is governed by religion, politicians or clerics.
    How then can Islam be protected by the U.S. Constitution?

    9) Islam allows Muslims to kill their own children, (honor killing) if the behavior of those children embarrasses or dishonors the family name. (which has already occurred on American soil)
    Why would I allow people (whose religion allows them to murder their own children), be in the presence of other children?
    My patrons often bring their kids to the range to teach them to shoot.
    I am responsible for providing a safe environment for those children to learn gun safety and shooting sports.

    10) In the 14 hundred year history of Islam, muslims have murdered over 270 million people.
    Since 9/11 muslims have committed over 21 thousand deadly terror attacks world wide.
    There are currently 35 Islamic terror training camps on American soil.
    (ref: Fox News/See news story here)

    In summary, people who shoot at my range come from all religious backgrounds… some are atheists… I do not care about their religious beliefs until or unless those beliefs command them to commit violent crimes against innocent people and I witness those crimes increasing, as we all have lately.
    If you had received death threats by muslims, would you want the government telling you that you had to allow them in to your home or business and hand them a loaded gun?
    I will do whatever is necessary to provide a safe environment for my customers.
    It is not a choice… It is my responsibility.

    Jan Morgan- owner / The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range
    1225 Blacksnake Road
    Hot Springs, Arkansas

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    +1 and +1 for both post.
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    Before this thread gets out of hand (as many on this topic tend to do), I want everyone to be mindful of your comments. Keep them decent.
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    I gots no problems with any post so far.....IBTL!!!....just in case.
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    How is it that Libs can't nail this business owner to the cross, but bakeries in CO and OR get ordered to bake cakes for gay couples?? I'm not sad about it, I'm just wondering why the discrepancy. Is it due to different state laws?

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    Arkansas is not like California, Colorado, or Oregon.

    I doubt the gun range asks the religious leanings when people show up and pay. This seems to be more publicity than substance, IMO.
    Last edited by cstone; 07-21-2015 at 19:26.
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    Iran gets nukes... Why shouldn't Muslims who are here get firearms?

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    I've seen about a dozen pictures on FB of men and women posting up outside recruiting centers all around the country. It makes me smile.
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    Allen West knocks it out of the park

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