ATF/FBI working with the VA to disarm vets

[DavieD55]

I would have left this in the politics/legislation thread but the general gets more traffic and this is important for people to be aware of.

As always in the world of out of control government agencies and corrupt politicians, be careful what you wish for because it may come back to bite you and your loved ones in the a-- one of these days. I am sure there will be a small minority that say this is a good idea without really reading between the lines to see that this is leading to thousands of people losing their rights without any due process. Many vets leave people in charge of their finances before leaving for a tour in the sandbox and then find out upon returning back home from deployment that they have been rendered incompetent and are on the prohibited list.

This isn't about fixing the mental health system, this is about persecuting people and taking away their rights.


Article from The Daily Caller

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is involved in a government effort to disarm America’s veterans and seniors who may lack the capacity to manage their finances.
And it’s not just veterans facing this scrutiny: now it’s anybody who gets Social Security.

New documents obtained by The Daily Caller reveal that ATF, a division of the Department of Justice, is working with the FBI and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) to enter veterans who get VA benefits into the government’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

TheDC first reported on a government program in which the VA sends veterans’ medical information to the FBI to disarm them. VA uses sneaky criteria to get veterans on the list for “persons prohibited under federal law from receiving or possessing firearms.” (RELATED: Daily Caller Reveals Secret VA-FBI Coordination).


If a veteran is deemed incapable of managing his or her own finances, the VA sends his or her information to the FBI to be automatically added to the criminal background check system. For some injured veterans, their incompetence was determined merely because they signed up for auto-pay on their debit cards, because their wife gives them financial advice, or because they asked for an in-house assistant to help with chores.

The VA sends this list to the FBI every month. At last count, there were more than 120,000 veterans in the government’s background check system.
Now we know that the enforcement agency ATF is working with the VA and FBI to suppress information about the program.

Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, sent Freedom of Information Act requests about the program to four federal government agencies. But when it came to get a response, he got one from a fifth agency that he didn’t even request information from: ATF.
Connelly, whose research blew the lid off the program in our previous Daily Caller expose, learned that FBI sent his request to ATF, which stifled it.
The FBI sent ATF seven pages of documents pursuant to Connelly’s information request to check with them first. ATF denied Connelly’s request for information, telling him that the agency is “withholding deliberative materials” in a letter dated July 12.
Why?
ATF claims it can withhold “inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency.”
So, if different agencies swap memos around to each other, then you need to sue them to get the documents under public disclosure law?

And the story is getting bigger. The Los Angeles Times reported this weekend that the Obama administration is trying to get the Social Security Administration to provide information to the FBI on Social Security beneficiaries who can be prohibited from owning a firearm for some form of incompetence. The Times cited the VA’s strategy of using veterans’ financial records against them.

“As I predicted the assault on veterans’ 2nd Amendment rights was just the beginning,” Connelly said. “Social Security recipients would be next. The LA Times has confirmed it. Sometimes I hate it when I am right.”

[Sawin]

...Many vets leave people in charge of their finances before leaving for a tour in the sandbox...

Not that I'm for this in any way shape or form, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't calibrated properly...but I'm rather confident that's not the case in this scenario. How many active duty military personnel are being deployed who are also receiving Social Security checks (ie over the age of 62..)?

This is actually a dupe to another thread here: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/149994-...-gun-ownership

[cstone]

Many people under the age of 62 receive SSA benefits. There are numerous reasons why a SSA beneficiary would elect to have a Payee Representative handling their financial affairs.

IMO, these are all just incremental nibbles at the right of free citizens to keep and bear arms without due process of the law.

And the water in the pot just got one degree warmer. Do you feel it yet Kermit?

[roberth]

Ribbit!!!

But if you voted for Obama you're going to be just fine.

[Skip]

It's a non-issue for me. Under 40 = social security is broke.

But I do think it's dirty and underhanded. This group represents no risk so there are no safety/policy arguments to be had.

[Great-Kazoo]

It's a non-issue for me. Under 40 = social security is broke.

But I do think it's dirty and underhanded. This group represents no risk so there are no safety/policy arguments to be had.

Today. You get injured and need power of attorney 3 years from now, guess what. You believe this will be limited to SS recipients only?

[roberth]

First the VA, then social security, then IRA/401K. Wall Street will assist the government when the time comes.

If you cannot hold the asset in your hand you do not own it. If you cannot defend the asset with your AR15 you do not have possession.

[Skip]

Today. You get injured and need power of attorney 3 years from now, guess what. You believe this will be limited to SS recipients only?

No I don't believe it will be limited. Just like the VA "decision" (to deny vets due process). They want as many prohibited persons as possible.

It's all part of a plan--along with the death of the rule of law. What does the word "state" mean? Few seem to want to fight as we keep going to work and paying our taxes like good subjects. The AARP loved Obama. Baby Boomers will turn out hard for Hillary or Bernie endorsing this and any other Libtarded plan that is ultimately against their best interests (ACA -> Single Payer -> UK NHS style death panels).

If anyone expects outrage out of me, it's in short supply lately.

[Aloha_Shooter]

"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID’s, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere."
- Robert A. Heinlein, "The Notebooks of Lazarus Long", Time Enough For Love

[roberth]

"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID’s, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere."
- Robert A. Heinlein, "The Notebooks of Lazarus Long", Time Enough For Love

Well, some people need to have an ID, for other people a public service bill works just as well.