Court: Second Amendment also covers those in US illegally

[TFOGGER]

I get that rights are inherent in all people, but it seems that this ruling basically states that people that flout the laws of this country and have no allegiance to it can clothe themselves in the protections and guarantees afforded to citizens when it is convenient. Rights without commensurate responsibilities are the downfall of great civilizations.

[Irving]

I don't think rights come with requirements to have them. Requirements to keep then sure, but not to have them in the first place.

[BPTactical]

So how's that gonna work out on a 4473?

[roberth]

So how's that gonna work out on a 4473?

Oh they'll eliminate that line and replace it with one that says -->

Are you a citizen? Si or No. If you check box Si Pay $1000, if you check box No ignore this question and you may steal anything in this store that isn't nailed down.

[Gman]

If we're to be a sovereign nation, we must have defensible borders. The problem is that there should be no illegals to then generate all of the other associated issues like anchor babies, government benefits going to non-citizens, drivers licenses for illegals, etc.

[roberth]

If we're to be a sovereign nation, we must have defensible borders. The problem is that there should be no illegals to then generate all of the other associated issues like anchor babies, government benefits going to non-citizens, drivers licenses for illegals, etc.

Exactly. I was trying to figure out how to say what you said. If the government had done its job in the first place we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

[20X11]

inALIENable rights

[Big E3]

I don't believe any illegal alien should have the all same constitutional rights as the citizens. This will lead to big problems especially when it comes to voting rights. I also don't think any group or individual should be allow to come into this country illegally unchecked and then be lawfully allowed to arm themselves. I understand the difference between rights "everybody" should have (god given) and rights only "citizens" should have (man given). I believe god given right are in the constitution and man given rights are in the Bill of Rights. There are many rights in the Bill of Rights if given to every illegal alien would be problematic.

I am torn on this though, increasing gun ownership is generally a good thing. I don't believe the majority of illegals owning guns would be bent on doing harm and it could increase the pro 2A voting block.

[Irving]

How would you feel if he was asleep in his bed and was defending himself during a break-in?

[brutal]

I don't believe any illegal alien should have the all same constitutional rights as the citizens. This will lead to big problems especially when it comes to voting rights. I also don't think any group or individual should be allow to come into this country illegally unchecked and then be lawfully allowed to arm themselves. I understand the difference between rights "everybody" should have (god given) and rights only "citizens" should have (man given). I believe god given right are in the constitution and man given rights are in the Bill of Rights. There are many rights in the Bill of Rights if given to every illegal alien would be problematic.

I am torn on this though, increasing gun ownership is generally a good thing. I don't believe the majority of illegals owning guns would be bent on doing harm and it could increase the pro 2A voting block.

Our rights are not given by the government, they are protected from restriction by our government.

Illegals have the right to do as they please, those are inalienable rights granted by nature to all free men. However, that doesn't mean they are protected from Government restrictions of those rights like US citizens are, considering their status.