Court: Second Amendment also covers those in US illegally

[Gman]

[Singlestack]

Keep in mind that 60% of all illegal immigrants enter the country legally.

I think the number you are looking for is 40%

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...nts-are-overs/

[cstone]

I think the number you are looking for is 40%

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...nts-are-overs/

40% or 60%...? The federal government estimates range between 27% and 57%. so I won't quibble on the numbers. All of this tells me that our government doesn't have any clue as to how people are getting into the country. It seems clear to me that while border security is important, it is not the only problem that needs to be addressed. Whether they come legally and then remain and become illegal immigrants or come illegally, the problem still remains. Will the federal government address the problem?

Some light reading:

http://cis.org/us_visas_still_easy_to_get.html

http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf

[Singlestack]

FWIW, I agree 100%. Not only are the overstayed Visa's a huge part of the illegal immigration problem, they are a big problem with national security as well. Many of the 911 hijackers were overstayed, for example.

[68Charger]

We can't even begin to pretend to talk about immigration issues until people can get past the knee jerk reaction of "Jus' deport 'em all back to Mex-e-co!"



Maybe a better example is if you were born into a crazy cult and you didn't find out until you were 18 that you were home birthed and there is no record of you anywhere in the country. That doesn't make you a criminal, but now that you're a legal adult, the responsibility falls to you to get yourself documented if you want to have a chance at making your way in this country. It'd make just as much sense to deport a crazy cult baby to Mexico though.

You're falling for the left's narrative/brainwashing that it's not REALLY a crime and if you want illegal immigrants deported you're just a racist redneck. I don't buy the "crazy cult baby" analogy- What crime was committed there? and that person would have no tie to Mexico, where the illegal immigrant has parents that were citizens there. I see it more as the punishment fits the crime.

If there's no punishment for a crime, is it really a crime? What do you think the penalty should be for remaining in this country after you become an adult and you know full damn well you're here illegally? Because a crime is being committed... and if they're willing to ignore that law, what other laws are they willing to ignore?

For what it's worth, I believe in immigration reform... but full amnesty seems like there's a political party buying their votes.
I don't think the powers in charge really want to change it, since it perpetuates a serf population (cheap/free labor).

[Irving]

I'm not falling for anything. If you brought here by someone else when you were a kid, you haven't committed a crime, your parents did. How do you justify punishing an adult for the crimes of another adult? Even if we decided as a country to just whole sale deport any person who isn't a citizen, none of the countries they came from would care enough to do anything about it and just let them filter back through. It's just not as simple as removing people. So many other factors have to be changed in order to get any where. Otherwise we're just wasting resources to temporarily displace a problem that will come back worse each time.

[68Charger]

So you're for full amnesty for anchor babies?
Even if they can't be bothered to apply for citizenship?

Why even have the process, if there's no punishment for not doing it? What does it even matter being a citizen, then?

The way I see it, they're ok with being a fugutive...

[cstone]

"Anchor babies" are US citizens. Family relatives of these US citizens are much less likely to be deported because current federal immigration policy favors family members of US citizens. "Anchor babies" are citizens because of the 14th Amendment and how it has been interpreted by the the US Supreme Court. Short of an amendment to the Constitution, I don't see any change to this issue despite the current rhetoric from some political candidates.

Minor children, born outside the US, who were brought here or stayed here illegally are not treated like criminals and they are not even treated like adults who immigrated here illegally. Minor children, like the numerous unaccompanied children crossing the border in larger numbers for the past few years are dealt with by the Department of Health and Human Services. They are given immigration court dates for hearings but many never appear. Even if they did appear, it is unlikely they would be deported as long as they have a family member (doesn't matter whether that family member is a legal resident or not) who will care for the minor child. The Department of Health and Human Services does not deport people.

It would be hard for anyone to untangle the intentional mess our federal government has made of immigration in our country.

IMO this is not an issue of capability but lack of national will to address the issue.

[Irving]

Even if we had the will as a nation, it wouldn't matter if the nations where people are coming from don't also have that same will. Tough situation to be in, but not impossible.

[Gman]

IMO this is not an issue of capability but lack of national will to address the issue.

Exactly correct. Securing our national borders is one of the few things the Federal government is charged with doing in the Constitution...and they're not doing it. We don't need cooperation from any other nation to have enforceable laws and the responsibility is clearly that of the Feds.