Armslist - and people trying to sidestep BGC

[Mercula]

So I've got a gun on armslist , and besides the usual wasting of my time , and people offering half what I'm asking .....
I've had two people now try and buy without background and transfer. WTF ? Is this a setup ?

The first dude said he wanted to buy it , then all of a sudden he "needed it that night for a security job he started that night ". So I kindly told him that wasn't going to happen and thanked him for his time. Then last night another told me that he "had his CCW and we should just meet in a restaurant parking lot ".

I replied that we need to meet at a FFL to transfer/ background properly yada yada yada. Did I miss something ? CCW holders still have to pay for BGC right ? I'm prob gonna pull my ad just cuz I'm tired of people wasting my time but these two have me creeped out.

[SouthPaw]

That is armslist for you. Wish it was like the good old days where a hand shake and a CODL was all we needed.

[Sawin]

You did the right thing. Either could have been a sting.

The first one would have creeped me out too, but the CCW holder might just be a case of a poorly informed, "old-timer". Before July 1, 2013 private party sales without a BGC were not unheard of. In some close circles, they were common.... It was the responsibility of the seller to ensure the buyer was eligible. If the buyer was not eligible, it could easily constitute a felony by the seller and all the legal consequences that come with a felony. The easiest, most common way to ensure your buyer was eligible was to verify they had a CCW and were a resident of your state... Some would be fine just seeing a CODL to ensure it wasn't across state lines. So while ignorance of the law is no defense, I don't necessarily hold it against offer number 2 in the same regard as the immature, ill prepared buyer number 1.

[SouthPaw]

CCW holders always held priority in my books prior to July 1, 2013.

[thvigil11]

Been a while since we seen an armlist rant on the forum. I give you 5/10. Needed way more profanity and capitalization.

Seriously though, my last couple of sales ended up in trades down here, they went pretty well. I stopped doing any transactions in Albuquerque though. That city sucks and been stood up there too many times. (or guys show up 100 short on what was agreed upon.)

[Mercula]

Been a while since we seen an armlist rant on the forum. I give you 5/10. Needed way more profanity and capitalization

Lol. Yea I'm not too upset about it. Just kinda creepy to me. The second guy isn't out of the picture yet , we'll see if he replies. Wouldnt surprise me if it was a "operation" of sorts to catch sellers trying to skip it as well.

[Zundfolge]

The fear that this is a "setup" is foolishness. Most of the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs in the state are on record saying they will not enforce this law so I doubt they're putting together task forces to do catch violators of this law ... and F-Troop doesn't enforce local laws, only Federal ones.

AT WORST you might have some anti-gun "journalists" trying to trick people into doing off paper transactions for a story, but that's about it.

At any rate, if you're not comfortable buying or selling without going through the BGC then don't.

I would never use this forum to suggest anyone do anything illegal ... but there is a good argument that bypassing the stupid new BGC law is a form of civil disobedience ... but hey, we're plenty comfortable here in the back of the bus, no need to rock the boat or anything. Know your place, prole ... and all that.

Before July 1, 2013 private party sales without a BGC were not unheard of. In some close circles, they were common....

Common? You mean to the tune of hundreds if not thousands of times a day? I bought and sold more guns than I remember between private parties without a BGC for decades. It was commonplace. It was done on this very forum dozens of times a day. I hate how we're already so used to this stupid new law that we're pretending that guns weren't bought and sold freely by citizens commonly or that its been the way it is now for generations or some other such foolishness. I understand that we should be obeying the law here, but for Christ sake do we also have to pretend that we like it? Do we have to pretend it's a good law? It's no wonder we're losing America to the Statists ... we freely give and roll over the first chance we get ... sheesh.

It was the responsibility of the seller to ensure the buyer was eligible. If the buyer was not eligible, it could easily constitute a felony by the seller and all the legal consequences that come with a felony.

Bollocks. It was never "the responsibility" of a seller to verify if the buyer was eligible in a private transaction. Unless it could be proved that you "knowingly" sold to a prohibited person you were in no legal jeopardy in the least. The responsibility was ALWAYS on the buyer.

[mackbamf]

Seems like the farther we get away from 7/1/13 the more comfortable people are getting about ignoring it. At first people were just calling them "mag kits" and now a lot of times ads will just openly state how many mags come with it. I also see that on Armslist there seems to be more of an openness to meet at a mutually agreed spot which opens the door for an individual transfer. Not to say they haven't happened but I have yet to read or hear about some type of sting operation, but as always seems to be the case if people get too relaxed someone will eventually take notice and it will come around and bite them...

[glock74]

I had the same thing happen to me on armslist. A guy told me he would buy my shotgun cash and carry. The same guy emailed me 3 or 4 different times in a couple of weeks saying he wanted to buy my gun. I finally emailed him back and told him to stop wasting my time. Never heard from him again. There are a lot of flakes on armslist.

[KS63]

I was in the opposite position in my experience with Armslist. First time trying buy a firearm on there and the seller flaked out after the 3rd attempt to meet at the FFL of my choice and time. Said I have cash so it's now or never but I knew it was a scam. I just wanted to see how far this dickhead wanted to go.