Armslist - and people trying to sidestep BGC

[Erni]

Just curious, does the law define it as a sale or transfer? And is barter a sale or trade?

As far as cheching bags, can someone pull out their cellphone and record the occurance please? It would make for an interesting video.

Wo sind Ihre Magpul?

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm curious how an illegal transfer can come back and bite you without proof of when, time and date, the transfer took place?

It's called: YOU GIVE UP WHO YOU GOT IT FROM, OR YOUR KIDS ARE GOING WITH THAT LADY FROM PROTECTIVE SERVICES, SITTING OVER THERE>>
e-mails, text, cell calls are ALL DOCUMENTED and eligible as part of the investigation & evidence

However it's all based on how bad LE is to get someone. Including the political climate , election cycle and ambitiousness of said people involved.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just curious, does the law define it as a sale or transfer? And is barter a sale or trade?

As far as cheching bags, can someone pull out their cellphone and record the occurance please? It would make for an interesting video.

Wo sind Ihre Magpul? WTF??

IIRC, any firearm being handed off to someone else for more than a 72 hour period is considered a sale / transfer.
Barter : to trade by exchanging one commodity for another Is there a value placed on one or the other item?? Either way the firearm is no longer in possession of person A.

[thvigil11]

Will have to ask for brown paper bags from now on. No more translucent plastic bags.

You mean you don't bring your own reusable bag? For shame, for shame.

[HoneyBadger]

I'll reiterate that I don't think many LE agencies would waste time with a "sting", but that doing an illegal transfer can still come back to bite you in the a$$ if that gun is later used in a crime. With regards to a magazine it's much less likely only because magazines are generally not serial numbered and therefore it's much more difficult to trace them to a specific individual.

I assume we have LEO's on this page who can confirm but my assumption is that after a crime involving a firearm takes place, part of the routine investigation will be to contact the ATF with the firearm's SN and then they will be able to at least trace the origins of the firearm to the first legal sale by a dealer to a private individual. From that point they would, I assume, try to trace the ownership of the gun to the final user. If, during the course of that investigation, the police determine that the final user of the gun got it through an illegal transaction and they can determine who it was that sold it to the final user, that person can face prosecution. If you recall, that's how they got the guy who sold some of Dylan and Klebold's guns to them before Columbine.

I'm curious how an illegal transfer can come back and bite you without proof of when, time and date, the transfer took place?

See post #12

ETA:

It's called: YOU GIVE UP WHO YOU GOT IT FROM, OR YOUR KIDS ARE GOING WITH THAT LADY FROM PROTECTIVE SERVICES, SITTING OVER THERE>>
e-mails, text, cell calls are ALL DOCUMENTED and eligible as part of the investigation & evidence

However it's all based on how bad LE is to get someone. Including the political climate , election cycle and ambitiousness of said people involved.

Valid point, so use your brain. If the government is going to decree that you are a criminal, you'd better start thinking like one right? No paper trail!


Legal disclaimer: I'm not advocating the breaking of any law under any jurisdiction for any reason. You can do that on your own.

[crays]

You mean you don't bring your own reusable bag? For shame, for shame.

Thanks Vigil. I honestly laughed audibly at this.

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[Aloha_Shooter]

use your brain. If the government is going to decree that you are a criminal, you'd better start thinking like one right? No paper trail!


Legal disclaimer: I'm not advocating the breaking of any law under any jurisdiction for any reason. You can do that on your own.

Plenty of very nice firearms over 50 years old that don't require a paper trail if the seller is amenable. OTOH, if I was ever to want to sell any firearms, particularly C&Rs, I'd want to be sure the recipient deserved to have them.

[ZERO THEORY]

Armslist is always a shit show. Flakes, people that blatantly try to trade useless B.S. to you despite you saying you're not interested in the ad, lowballers, and guys who think a DPMS with a BSA optic is a $1500 "cuztoms AR".

Met up with some fat guy in a TapouT shirt one time who basically just wanted something cool to take camping, but couldn't tell his ass from his elbow. After he handed me the cash, he took his new XD45 Tactical and proceeded to "inspect" the barrel from the business end. It's rarely much better than that.

Wisdom

Yes.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

Been having the same issue with a gun I am currently trying to sell on Armslist. These Einstein's want to bypass all the legal processes while showing up $75-$100 short and then proceed to bitch/moan/menstruate all over the place about what a piece of effluvia you are.

[electronman1729]

Been having the same issue with a gun I am currently trying to sell on Armslist. These Einstein's want to bypass all the legal processes while showing up $75-$100 short and then proceed to bitch/moan/menstruate all over the place about what a piece of effluvia you are.

I have a posting right now and that is the exact same thing I have been getting. Klutz wants to buy my firearm less the cost of the FFL or full cost in a parking lot. I told him today to just piss off.