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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchy View Post
    They sure could make that a bit clearer. It's a rifle that my dad owned, now I do and he wanted it to eventually go to my son. FFL - FFL it is.






    1. I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California?
      • No. Only shipments from Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL) require a Firearms Shipment Approval number.

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    You should be asking this question on Calguns not here.
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    Those guys have ALL the BS sorted thru, good site.
    Which is why the OP needs to read the entire link i posted. It explains everything. Over there, there's more than likely a sticky answering his question.
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    OP will read it all. Thanks for posting it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleDave View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but pre 1899 you don't need an ffl at all as long as it was manufactured then. Going from memory, as I used to have Mausers shipped right to my door in Cali years ago.
    Mail order guns were killed as part of the gun rights gang rape of 1968. See GCA-1968

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    According to the GCA-1968 Firearms manufactured before 1899 are antiques and not firearms, so that law does not apply to them. That is why you don't need an FFL to sell 19th century or older firearms ie. pawn shops and antique stores without an FFL.

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) prohibits felons and certain other persons from possessingor receiving firearms and ammunition (“prohibited persons”). These categories can be found at18 U.S.C. § 922(g) and (n) in http://www.atf.gov/files/publication...-4.pdf.However, Federal law does not prohibit these persons from possessing or receiving an antiquefirearm. The term “antique firearm” means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock,flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898.The definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned forusing rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventionalcenterfire ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is notreadily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. Further, any muzzle loading rifle,shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and whichcannot use fixed ammunition, is an “antique firearm” unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame orreceiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle - 3 -loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel,bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. See 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), (a)(16).
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleDave View Post
    According to the GCA-1968 Firearms manufactured before 1899 are antiques and not firearms, so that law does not apply to them. That is why you don't need an FFL to sell 19th century or older firearms ie. pawn shops and antique stores without an FFL.
    In theory yes. In CA, not so sure. Easiest way would be for his son to check (in person) with a few LGS, see what they say. Then check the CADOJ to verify.
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    CA law makes an exception for pre-1899 firearms that use smokeless powder and use ammunition that can be purchased commercially. The Krag has to go FFL - FFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchy View Post
    CA law makes an exception for pre-1899 firearms that use smokeless powder and use ammunition that can be purchased commercially. The Krag has to go FFL - FFL.
    Send it as an undocumented item. No one in CA cares about them
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