Active shooter reported at Oregon college campus

[Irving]

Lock her up.

Irrational.

[davsel]

We have laws against selling / providing firearms to mentally ill people.
She clearly knew he was not right in the head.

Lock her up.

[Zundfolge]

What possessed this "mom" to participate with her son in shooting sports knowing he has Asperger's?

There are plenty of people in the Asperger's spectrum that would never harm anyone ... hell I bet there's at least a dozen folk that post on this forum regularly that are on the spectrum as well.

I understand the desire for our side to shift the focus away from the guns and toward "mental health issues" but frankly you can enslave a society just as easily by declaring dissent as "mental illness" as you can by disarming the populace (and believe me that is the end goal of those who want to start expanding mental illness screenings).

The REAL issue is that we live in a broken world and are members of a broken species and the only way you're EVER going to prevent bad people from doing bad things with guns (or any weapon for that matter) is to make sure that there are more armed good people.

The truth that nobody will ever acknowledge is that we'd be better off getting rid of all gun laws and issuing everyone a handgun, rifle and shotgun when they turn 18 (regardless of "mental health" or criminal record) then we would be with more restrictions on law abiding citizens.

[68Charger]

The point about mental illness is this guy would have been dangerous without guns...
Getting help to the people that need it before they "snap" is the goal (or should be, but there will be people that abuse any power)

I'd say we could make more progress with social engineering that reduces the stigma around mental health services, instead of the current state goal of social engineering that anyone who owns guns is a "gun nut" and continuing to brainwash people that guns are evil.

But I don't think that fits their agenda...

[Irving]

I think the is a stigma around any kind of help. There are probably adults who can't swim or ride a bike, and even though those are pretty inane skills in daily life, I bet they aren't advertising the fact and openly asking people to help them.

[davsel]

I think the is a stigma around any kind of help. There are probably adults who can't swim or ride a bike, and even though those are pretty inane skills in daily life, I bet they aren't advertising the fact and openly asking people to help them.

What? You completely lost me.

Are you comparing people not knowing how to ride a bike with people who are mentally ill mass murder time-bombs?

Wow

[68Charger]

I think the is a stigma around any kind of help. There are probably adults who can't swim or ride a bike, and even though those are pretty inane skills in daily life, I bet they aren't advertising the fact and openly asking people to help them.

I'd venture to say that it's not the same level of stigma, but I see your point.
"seeing a shrink" can start all kinds of rumors that could escalate and lead to people avoiding you, rather than just laughing about you behind your back.

[Irving]

No davsel, I'm saying people have a hard time asking for help with simple things that don't really matter if they get help or not; so one can imagine how much more reluctant people are to get help with things that are much more important than merely riding a bicycle. That's just an observation of how people act when they have a problem that they can recognize and to which they can admit. That is just the surface. There are plenty of people who don't think they have a problem at all, and beyond them, people who CAN'T recognize that they have a mental issue.

[Robb]

I'm not going to read through 10 pages of postings so forgive me if you've seen this:
It appears the killers guns were all purchased legally.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/02.../?intcmp=hpbt3

[davsel]

In my view, "social stigma" is an excuse that we can no longer afford to entertain - if we ever could.

If you know of someone who is obviously off their rocker and they own guns, you are complicit in any criminal act they commit and should be held accountable.

These two "moms" who took their obviously wacked-out sons to shooting ranges, gave them access to guns - if not purchased them for them - are complicit in the murders that their sons committed and, if alive, should be tried and locked up.
Maybe that will make the next "mom" think twice before taking her defective son away from the video game and into the real world to "play" with real guns for his enjoyment.

We need wacked-out defective people control, not gun control.

Don't get me started on the culpability of the drug companies, doctors, and pharmacies with their misinformation concerning SSRIs.