Active shooter reported at Oregon college campus

[yz9890]

I thought it was strange when listening to the news coverage how they kept speaking about the school being "locked down" and how they were busing the kids to a local church or something so they could be united with their families. It sounded strange for a college, especially a junior or community college, to keep talking about "kids". These students and victims were largely adults. Some over 60yrs old.

I'm sure the "kids" angle came from the media because the college just refers to them as students.

Not sure what "lock down" means to students who are not minors. I certainly understand that the campus was a crime scene and that people probably couldn't just get in their cars and drive away but they spoke about students being holed up for hours waiting to be told they could leave. Could they not just leave?


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[Great-Kazoo]

Anytime there's a shooting it's always KIDS OR CHILDREN who have been taken from us due to senseless gun violence. Come on Man get with the program, it's the 21st century.
If it was a senior rest home, they'd find a way to use the "children" angle

[cstone]

I have no idea what the students on campus were told about leaving or not.

In general, legality at a crime scene is determined by exigent circumstances. The courts have recognized that this exception to the 4th amendment warrant requirement is legal under special needs cases. The ability of authority to detain witnesses is weighed against the severity of the crime, the duration of the detention, the options of other less intrusive methods for gathering evidence, and the type of evidence that can be provided by the detained person(s).

In cases like Oregon; an extreme criminal act, the officers on the scene first make the scene safe. Then they render aid. Lastly, they identify, protect, and gather evidence. In reality, many of these things overlap and they are not linear. Hours after a scene is determined "safe" the injured are evacuated, and the evidence is being gathered, something can change and the scene may become unsafe or more injured can be located.

Are the actions of law enforcement officials on the scene "reasonable?" That is generally the standards courts use to determine whether something is legal. "Reasonable" is a subjective standard determined by the perspective of the person judging the action. It is a moving standard and most people have an opinion about what it means given the circumstances. There will normally be disagreements about what is "reasonable" in any given circumstance.

As for the use of the term "kids" for people over the age of 18. I have a personal pet peeve with the concept of "teenager" as it is used since the 20th century in the U.S. IMO, people are adults or children. The two standards I use to determine whether a person is an adult or child are; chronological age (when were they born), and ability to act responsibly (maturity). For me, 12 years old seems to be a good line on chronological age between childhood and adulthood. Maturity is much tougher for me and I believe most of our society. We all know 30 year olds who behave like children and are either incapable or refuse to act responsibly. I believe we do a disservice to people when we prolong the period of childhood by limiting responsibility and retarding someone's normal growth and maturity. Just my $.02

Be safe.

[cstone]

If a gun is purchased illegally but never used to commit another crime and that crime of illegal purchase is never prosecuted, the gun is unused evidence. The gun itself never commits a crime. The gun is not capable of committing a crime. The gun, like hands, feet, rocks, hammers, etc. can only be used to commit a crime.

Making things illegal does not stop crimes. It only creates contraband; a thing that is illegal to possess.

IMO our society is focusing on the instruments while lamenting the music and glorifying the bad musicians.

Be safe.

[Great-Kazoo]

If a gun is purchased illegally but never used to commit another crime and that crime of illegal purchase is never prosecuted, the gun is unused evidence. The gun itself never commits a crime. The gun is not capable of committing a crime. The gun, like hands, feet, rocks, hammers, etc. can only be used to commit a crime.

Making things illegal does not stop crimes. It only creates contraband; a thing that is illegal to possess.

IMO our society is focusing on the instruments while lamenting the music and glorifying the bad musicians.

Be safe.

BUT, BUT. Without Guns there would be less killings.

If only i could tell the story i want to. But prohibited from due to disclosure..

[hatidua]

If you know of someone who is obviously off their rocker and they own guns, you are complicit in any criminal act they commit and should be held accountable.

-yeah, not so much.

"obviously off their rocker" is a matter of opinion and shy of an MD in psychiatry, I'm not keen on people calling up and reporting neighbors. if that's the goal, CA has a new law on the books that you'd love.

[Gman]

BUT, BUT. Without Guns there would be less killings.

...and without Confederate flags there is less racism.

[Great-Kazoo]

...and without Confederate flags there is less racism.

Ban Bed Sheets, just in case. The levels of stupidity to try and intervene prior to a crime isn't feasible. Unless we become good russians or germans. Then worry about Mrs. Kravits peeking out their window.

[BushMasterBoy]

The only good news is the murderer committed suicide.

[Gman]

The only good news is the murderer committed suicide.

That should have been step 1 in his plan.