Active shooter reported at Oregon college campus

[brutal]

Hearing the hoopla about this, yet another shooting, at yet another gun-free-zone, in some small town, USA, at XYZ location, blah blah blah, the antis jumping at the chance to get on their usual soapbox and say "look! It happened again! When are we ever going to have the discussion about common sense gun control?" Guess what? We have the conversation every single time this happens, and it's the same thing, a bunch of BS talk and no real answers. Background checks, they work, they keep criminals from purchasing guns from lawful sources- yet they still buy them from unlawful sources. "If only guns weren't available to criminals." There are laws making it so they shouldn't be, yet they still get their hands on them. Meth is illegal, yet it still is manufactured and sold in nearly every large town/city in America. Attacking the wrong side of the problem, yet again. So many on the left continually ignore the fact that you cannot avert every tragedy on earth. Bad things happen, it's a risk we take with living.

For note: the anti-gun lobby is not exactly anti-gun, they just want to pick and choose WHO has the guns. They will use people with guns to take away the guns from those they don't want to have guns, if they get their way. This rhetoric continues and it solves nothing. Of course I'm not providing any new info to any of you here, we all know this. Why is it that when some asshole goes and kills people, the first response of the left is to punish those who had nothing to do with it? Simple answer, they're morons.

FIFY,

Also, be careful with the blanket gun-free zone statement on this one. It was certainly advertised/posted as such from what I've read, but legal CHP holders in Oregon, not including the faculty and staff there, were in fact permitted to carry on that campus. The real concern is with several key issues (still to be fully vetted.)

1. The campus is posted "no weapons allowed." That is misleading to say the least. Is there prominent Concealed Permit Holders Exempt signage?
2. At least one CHP holder, also ex mil, was persuaded/forbidden by faculty to not get involved for fear he would be interfering and could be potentially mistaken for the active shooter.

It's a damn shame Chris Mintz wasn't packing. This would be another in the growing list of "Mass shootings stopped by a good guy with a gun."

[68Charger]

You're giving them too much credit. They're not morons, they're evil. Hanlon's razor is a lie.

I gladly find myself corrected on this issue.

I'll stick with Occam's razor... if the most simple explanation is that the politician is EVIL (or allows themselves to be influenced by evil forces), then that's likely the cause.

I brought up Occam's razor to my boss in the last few weeks- he'd never heard of it. As a geek/engineer, it's a driving force in daily decisions.

[68Charger]

2. At least one CHP holder, also ex mil, was persuaded/forbidden by faculty to not get involved for fear he would be interfering and could be potentially mistaken for the active shooter.

It's a damn shame Chris Mintz wasn't packing. This would be another in the growing list of "Mass shootings stopped by a good guy with a gun."

source on this?
If there's any lessoned to be learned here (and not a new one for me)... do NOT accept advise from non-combatants on how to engage a combatant. (ESPECIALLY in a college campus or other environment riddled with liberals)

If there are lives to be saved, you ARE putting yourself in danger- my response would be (in ADDITION to that ASSHAT shooting me? I'll take my chances...)

[brutal]

source on this?
If there's any lessoned to be learned here (and not a new one for me)... do NOT accept advise from non-combatants on how to engage a combatant. (ESPECIALLY in a college campus or other environment riddled with liberals)

If there are lives to be saved, you ARE putting yourself in danger- my response would be (in ADDITION to that ASSHAT shooting me? I'll take my chances...)

I should clarify. They cannot ban carry on school grounds, but apparently did have the authority and a policy of no carry in buildings and classrooms.

Google "oregon campus concealed carry." Several reliable sources including http://www.armedcampuses.org/

I'd be curious if they've ever actually granted anyone their rights back through "written permission."

Umpqua Community College As of March 2015, Concealed carry was not permitted, except by written permission by college https://web.archive.org/web/20150317...owall=&start=4

[esizer]

I should clarify. They cannot ban carry on school grounds, but apparently did have the authority and a policy of no carry in buildings and classrooms.

Google "oregon campus concealed carry." Several reliable sources including http://www.armedcampuses.org/

I'd be curious if they've ever actually granted anyone their rights back through "written permission."

I attended the University of Wyoming which had a similar concealed carry stance. However, no one had ever been granted permission to carry regardless of the circumstance.

[DavieD55]

I don't disagree. However in the current climate in academia, psychology circles and politics I'm more concerned that the Statists will use greater "wacked-out defective people control" as both a bludgeon to use against their political enemies and a means of back door gun control.

Believe me there are plenty of academics and practicing psychologists/psychiatrists/psychotherapists that would swiftly label every single one of us here as "wacked-out and defective" because we have an interest in guns. And have no problem with our 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendment rights be eliminated "for the greater good" (hell many would have no problem rounding us up and executing us).

The better solution is to not worry about the nut-jobs ... just make sure the good people have unfettered access to the tools of self defense and the problem will become self correcting.

Maximum freedom is always the best solution.

Exactly.

[BushMasterBoy]

The left only supports two "rights"; Buggery and Infanticide.

You forgot Atheism. God forbid we offend anybody!

[Great-Kazoo]

You forgot Atheism. God forbid we offend anybody!

PETS ARE PEOPLE ! you forgot them.

[cstone]

You forgot Atheism. God forbid we offend anybody!

So few true athiests, but your statement is funny nonetheless.

[Jamnanc]

So few true athiests, but your statement is funny nonetheless.

But the true atheists are sure to let you know.