Active shooter reported at Oregon college campus

[Big E3]

I don't even know how to respond to this Oregonian POS. It has been reported that this guy made people lay on the floor and one by one told to stand and state their religion, if they said Christian they were shot in the head. We have now come to a point that Christians in America are now been targeted by dirt bags. I don't know if this guy was Muslim or not but the fact that Christians are targeted specifically is a concern. Does Muslim terrorist influence attract copycats or is this just a terrorist wanbe? Either way I think the president needs to be real careful about talking about disarming honest Americans when Christians are being specifically targeted.

As everyone already knows I have a huge issue with gun free zones. And here we go again somebody, with the stroke of a pen, has created the perfect killing zone without any concern of the consequences. And as usual all it would take is a good guy with a gun to end this before it starts. But no, that good guy has been disarmed by decree, so that someone bent on breaking the law can easily operate unimpeded without concern for his own safety.

I want to know when we as a nation will stop creating gun spree zones by taking guns away from honest law abiding citizens that simply want to be able to protect themselves everywhere they go. I still believe that as a general rule CCW people are every bit as trust worthy as a police officer. CCW people must be allowed to have a chance to stop these brain damaged pieces of shit where ever they crop up.

P.S. Maybe we need to keep anybody that ever lived in California from having a gun until they are 30 years old. I'm kidding, but it seems like a lot of these idiots are in there 20's and have lived in Kali.

[Irving]

I want to know when we as a nation will stop creating gun spree zones by taking guns away from honest law abiding citizens that simply want to be able to protect themselves everywhere they go. I still believe that as a general rule CCW people are every bit as trust worthy as a police officer. CCW people must be allowed to have a chance to stop these brain damaged pieces of shit where ever they crop up.

When people with guns start making a difference. There are some 300 million guns in the country, and this happens over and over again. Each time people holler about, "If there was just a person with a gun there....blah blah blah." With as many guns in this country as there are people, WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GUYS WITH THE GUNS? Don't plan on convincing ANYONE that a good guy with a gun is the answer, unless you can start citing references of a good guy with a gun. I can think of only one recent instance where someone tried to commit a shooting of the public, in public, where a CCW carrier was present and present and drew his gun. That was at one of the mall shootings I believe. I think there was a CCW holder present when Gabby Giffords was shot, but he didn't draw.

Don't take this as me not agreeing with you, as I do, but without evidence to support your beliefs, no one will get on board with you. Sure, we can all point to the little CCW briefs in the NRA magazine, but those aren't cutting it. People don't respond to prevented tragedy like they do fulfilled tragedy.

[cstone]

When people with guns start making a difference...

But this is why "good guys" (the police) carry guns. If carrying guns did not make a difference, LE would have been disarmed decades ago.

Like so many other similar incidents, the criminal was stopped when he was confronted by gun wielding public servants. Every time there is a justified shooting in this country, I assume that the gun in the hands of a free person made a difference, regardless of whether the person is acting on behalf of the state or as a private individual.

[kidicarus13]

When people with guns start making a difference. There are some 300 million guns in the country, and this happens over and over again. Each time people holler about, "If there was just a person with a gun there....blah blah blah." With as many guns in this country as there are people, WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD GUYS WITH THE GUNS? Don't plan on convincing ANYONE that a good guy with a gun is the answer, unless you can start citing references of a good guy with a gun. I can think of only one recent instance where someone tried to commit a shooting of the public, in public, where a CCW carrier was present and present and drew his gun. That was at one of the mall shootings I believe. I think there was a CCW holder present when Gabby Giffords was shot, but he didn't draw.

Don't take this as me not agreeing with you, as I do, but without evidence to support your beliefs, no one will get on board with you. Sure, we can all point to the little CCW briefs in the NRA magazine, but those aren't cutting it. People don't respond to prevented tragedy like they do fulfilled tragedy.

10 cases...

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/...tive-shooter-2

[Irving]

But this is why "good guys" (the police) carry guns. If carrying guns did not make a difference, LE would have been disarmed decades ago.

Like so many other similar incidents, the criminal was stopped when he was confronted by gun wielding public servants. Every time there is a justified shooting in this country, I assume that the gun in the hands of a free person made a difference, regardless of whether the person is acting on behalf of the state or as a private individual.

I know that, and we know that, but that is clearly not enough to convince the masses.

10 cases...

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/...tive-shooter-2

Same thing here. This stuff seems so obvious to us, because it is. However, to someone who thinks people can somehow evolve into accepting peace, this evidence is just not good enough. What needs to happen when evidence is just not good enough to convince a person?

[cstone]

I know that, and we know that, but that is clearly not enough to convince the masses.


Same thing here. This stuff seems so obvious to us, because it is. However, to someone who thinks people can somehow evolve into accepting peace, this evidence is just not good enough. What needs to happen when evidence is just not good enough to convince a person?

There will always be people who are so convinced they are right, on whatever subject they choose, that they will not permit the existence of logic or evidence to cause them to sway from their position. I find this to be true of almost everyone I have ever met, including myself, depending on the subject.

When the immovable object meets the irresistible force...