Obama Townhall Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

[sniper7]

I'm not entirely sure what point you are trying to make, but in case you weren't paying attention, I am actually FROM the UK. I didn't just live there for a while, I was born there, grew up there and only emigrated to the United States when I was 29, so if you would like to educate me about what freedoms we enjoy in the UK, and how we were all stripped of our firearms by a fascist government, go right ahead, and I will be more than happy to correct your misconceptions afterwards.

And yes, before anyone links to it, I have watched that video about gun laws in the UK, and yes, it's mostly nonsense and the huge 'pro-gun' rallies they show taking place in London are actually people protesting about the banning of hunting foxes with hounds and horses.

Just like comparing healthcare reform here with a completely socialized health service in the UK, comparing gun laws here and in the UK is like comparing apples and oranges.

I saw that you are from the UK.

YOU can go back since YOU seem to love it soo much.

better jump on the AMERICA band wagon because that is where you are at, NOT in the UK.

Like I said, start to enjoy the US for what it is, don't try to change it into the UK that YOU LEFT. If you want your UK sooo badly, then GO BACK TO IT.

[jake]

Then there wasn't a big media circus and panic in the UK about finding a "live 22 round" on a doorstep? Oh my goodness, if detonated, it could kill somebody!

Pray tell, how recently did you emigrate? And please note, I'm not trying to pick on you, not trying to mob you. UK Firearm "freedom" is nothing like what we have in America. I know of many UK visitors that specifically want to shoot when they come here just because they don't have the real luxury to do so at home. Is it all a big conspiracy and they all make BS up just to get pity? Yes, you can have a firearm in the UK. No, it is nothing like what you can have here. And, it has gotten worse over there in recent years, so if you came here.. 5, 10, 15 years ago, whatever - well, past experience isn't exactly live experience.

PS: With the number of spilled 22 shells in the nooks and crannies of my truck bed, I'd probably be labeled a terrorist were my truck parked in the UK. I don't call that FREE.

Taking your points one by one, regarding the finding of a .22 round, what you have to understand is that hardly ANYONE in the UK owns a firearm, so finding live ammunition in the street is a bigger deal than it would be to you or me. It's not that everyone in the UK is a pansy who is terrified of guns, it's that there is practically zero gun culture over there.

I emigrated 6 years ago. My wife is from Miami, and when we married we decided to make our life there. How I came to end up in Colorado is another matter, involving hurricanes, insurance premiums and the housing crash. UK firearm freedom is nothing like here, because, as I said, there was never really a firearm culture there. The current restrictions on firearms were introduced after the Dunblane massacre as a result of overwhelming public pressure, and resulted in about 50,000 people (that's less than 1% of the population) losing their firearms licences (even before the restrictions, firearms were licenced, and anyone who wanted one had to show a good reason for wanting to own it and allow their security arrangements to be inspected by the police).

It's really almost impossible for an American to understand (and NO offence is intended here) the differences, because to you, the idea of having to apply for a licence and submit to a police inspection would be an abhorrent idea, but to an Briton who was interested in owning a firearm, that's how it has been for a hundred years.

You're right, many Britons who come here want to shoot, but it's not really from a desire to experience something we are cruelly denied back home, it's more out of curiosity. I suppose the best way to describe it would be if you went to Paris, you would climb the Eiffel Tower, but that doesn't mean you want an Eiffel Tower built in Denver.

As for your PS, once again, it's a difference in culture. If you lived in the UK, you simply wouldn't have .22 shells in your truck. You wouldn't bemoan your lack of freedom, simply because the idea of owning a gun wouldn't be on your radar.

I also see no reason to try to make every country the same - or every State for that matter. You like the UK's systems - great. Don't be too annoyed if we don't. People always have the option of moving to the UK if they truly love it's system. I see absolutely no reason for those people to try to make us UK #2. Diversity is a good thing.

As I said before, I don't have a problem with you not liking the idea of a single payer health service like the NHS. What does annoy me, and I would imagine would annoy you if the roles were reversed, is people making claims about a system that they have never experienced, and that are almost entirely based on lies.

[jake]

I saw that you are from the UK.

YOU can go back since YOU seem to love it soo much.

better jump on the AMERICA band wagon because that is where you are at, NOT in the UK.

Like I said, start to enjoy the US for what it is, don't try to change it into the UK that YOU LEFT. If you want your UK sooo badly, then GO BACK TO IT.

Yeah, I noticed you just edited your post. The reply I was going to type to your original post was this: if you think that knowing more than you about the culture of the country that I was born in is so offensive, you're welcome to report me to USCIS and attempt to have me deported.

But to reply to what you have edited it to... yeah, I love the country that I was born in. If THAT is so offensive to you, I assume YOU don't love the country you were born in... am I correct?

Now, point me to ANYWHERE in my posts that I said I want to change America to be like the UK.

Don't assume you know anything about how I feel about living here simply from me correcting YOUR misconceptions about where I came from. For your information, and not that it's any of your business, about two weeks ago I mailed my N-400 (application for naturalization). On Wednesday I'm going to be fingerprinted for my FBI background check and going by the current waiting times for the Denver USCIS office I should be taking my citizenship oath in November.

I love living in this country, and I don't ever anticipate returning to the UK to live permanently. That doesn't mean that I am not proud of the country I grew up in, and it doesn't mean that I should let you trumpet the same old mistruths about it without any attempt to redress the balance.

[sniper7]

Yeah, I noticed you just edited your post. The reply I was going to type to your original post was this: if you think that knowing more than you about the culture of the country that I was born in is so offensive, you're welcome to report me to USCIS and attempt to have me deported.

But to reply to what you have edited it to... yeah, I love the country that I was born in. If THAT is so offensive to you, I assume YOU don't love the country you were born in... am I correct?

Now, point me to ANYWHERE in my posts that I said I want to change America to be like the UK.

Don't assume you know anything about how I feel about living here simply from me correcting YOUR misconceptions about where I came from. For your information, and not that it's any of your business, about two weeks ago I mailed my N-400 (application for naturalization). On Wednesday I'm going to be fingerprinted for my FBI background check and going by the current waiting times for the Denver USCIS office I should be taking my citizenship oath in November.

I love living in this country, and I don't ever anticipate returning to the UK to live permanently. That doesn't mean that I am not proud of the country I grew up in, and it doesn't mean that I should let you trumpet the same old mistruths about it without any attempt to redress the balance.

Listen jake,

I don't care what you want to show me about the NHS. that is NOT what we have in the United States. that is NOT what we want in the United States.
I don't care about the UK. I want nothing to do with the UK. that is why I don't want to hear any of your blab about how the UK system works whether or not the information i have been told is true or not.
I fly with foreigners all the time, anywhere from the UK, spain, Canada, Russia, Germany, you name it. Any of them I have flown with that had a UHS said our system is much better hands down. First hand, from the mouth of foreigners is where I hear my info, not fucking CNN that you seem to believe.

Thats really great that you want to take your oath and all that. I really don't care as long as you pay your taxes and you don't try to change my country into what you left. If you want back what you left, then go back to it, don't attempt to try to change the things we have here. we built them from the ground up after whipping your guys' ass and we tend to enjoy them and want to keep them the way they are. that is why you will see for the past 80 years the liberal fucktards keep trying to change our health care and they keep failing at it.

So again, I say if you want to LOVE your country that much where you feel like you want to CHANGE MY, I repeat MY country, the United States of America, then get the fuck out.
And take the kenyan with you.

[jake]

It's also not what you are being offered in the United States so I don't really see what your problem is.

You say that you did notice that I'm from the UK, and then you accuse me of getting my information about the UK from CNN? It's pretty clear that you don't really read (or perhaps comprehend) anything I'm saying because once again you've accused me of trying to change this country into the country I'm from. Again I'll say to you, show me anywhere I have said that.

I'm aware that you don't care about anything I say... it's pretty clear that you're one of those people who doesn't like to have his neat little worldview challenged in any way. If that works for you, that's fantastic. I'd love to know what will happen to that worldview when healthcare is reformed and the country doesn't fall apart, or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

[theGinsue]

... or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

"More completely than it's already been proved"? When? I have watched this particular issue very closely and have seen no such proof yet. In fact, all I've seen is a few politicians claim Obama's Hawaiian birth, but no real birth certificate has yet to be produced. No hospital has even come forward to say "YES, he was born here". Until I see HARD evidence, I'm not willing to accept his claim to the Office of the Presidency of the Unites States.

[Tristan]

Okay. I thought this was about the meetings and I see this. So, now I've got to get involved.
Jake, I understand what you say-but you are missing out on the larger picture.
It is called
FREEDOM.
FREEDOM to make our own choices.
FREEDOM to live our lives the way we want.
FREEDOM to do what we want, when we want, where we want and with whom we want.
-These are our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS that NO MAN can put asunder-
All within the boundaries of the law and common sense, of course.
I would imagine that is why you love it here so much-I doubt that it is simply the geography.
I know the UK picture has been twisted a bit by both sides-nonetheless, the Brits have a lot less freedoms to enjoy. One of our favorite historic figures was a Lord from England-who, although he loved his country, fought and thought his way to a new country, one that would have freedoms he couldn't enjoy in his native land. Then he was stripped of his Lordship and more and left his Love and his riches to live out his years in this new, Great Country with his son, who really turned his back on him because of his loyalty to the Motherland-but that is a different and long story. So you have a high horse to ride, be it right or wrong, the standard was set by Ben over 200 years ago. It is what our Country is based on.
DON'T TREAD ON ME.
Plain and simple. We like making our own decisions, not having some moron in Washington or anywhere else making such serious decisions for us. It's OUR choice, not theirs.
Sniper and the rest of us like and love our freedom and will fight and kill and die for it. And I personally will be the first to punch some idiot in the nose over all this and get the ball rolling.
I think you'd best remember that fact. And unless you are willing to do the same, no matter where you came from, it really would be best to leave.

[sniper7]

It's also not what you are being offered in the United States so I don't really see what your problem is.

You say that you did notice that I'm from the UK, and then you accuse me of getting my information about the UK from CNN? It's pretty clear that you don't really read (or perhaps comprehend) anything I'm saying because once again you've accused me of trying to change this country into the country I'm from. Again I'll say to you, show me anywhere I have said that.

I'm aware that you don't care about anything I say... it's pretty clear that you're one of those people who doesn't like to have his neat little worldview challenged in any way. If that works for you, that's fantastic. I'd love to know what will happen to that worldview when healthcare is reformed and the country doesn't fall apart, or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

Listen Jake, I am about ready to label you a dipshit. don't tell me I don't comprehend when you have not read what I wrote.
I told you where I get MY info. I said you must believe I get my info from CNN. get your fucking nose out of the air, put your eyes to the screen and read what I write down, not what you think i am saying. there is a difference. Can you comprehend that?

Before you also shoved your nose higher up in the air saying "in case you didn't know I am from the UK"
get your nose out of the air. This isn't the UK where you walk around all day believing you are better than anyone else around you. Show some respect. I will show you none because you have not come close to earning a single ounce of respect acting the way you do.

Like I and others have said. This is OUR country, land of the free, home of the brave. Key word being FREE. Free does not mean work for nothing, get something for nothing, have things handed to you by your government. It means you work for what you get. whether it is from the ground up, passed on to you by your parents etc etc. you have the option of success or failure. With a government run health care, there is really no option. at that point if you have a job you are required to pay taxes which will cover the health care. We ALREADY have waaayyy too many programs that use this. Most of them started out with great intentions (welfare, unemployment) but now they are extorted to the fullest extent allowing maximum laziness.
Healthcare is another one of those good intent issues. in the end it would fail just like the others. the people willing to work get to bring home less, live on less, work harder to try and make the american dream, while the bottom feeders live off of our hard work.
that is not America. That is not what we stand for. That is not what we want.
So try to think about what Freedom truly means.

next, home of the Brave. Not only is this the soldiers who fight across the globe to keep our freedoms free (along with other countries) but for those who stand up to the government, take a stand, go to townhall meetings and tell their senators what they think even if CNN will boast them as terrorists, anti-americans etc etc. just because it isn't what mainsteam media and billionaire Michael Bloomberg want, doesn't mean it isn't what the country wants.
Again, healthcare in the USA has been a topic for damn close to 100 years and the democrats keep failing. They fail because Americans know they don't want the government to take over more private sectors.
it is enough with the banks and the automakers. what is next? airlines, railroad, trucking?
If anything the American people are going to look at ways to downsize the government, reduce taxes, keep tabs on where OUR money is going, why nancy pelosi needs a fucking 757 to get back and forth from home in CA and work in DC.
We are tired of seeing our money wasted fruitlessly. the .gov tells us it is only a small drop in the bucket. But when we see thousands of drops falling into a bucket and not getting anything to drink, then we start to wonder where it is all going.

Before you take your oath, make sure you comprehend that, and not only comprehend it, but believe it.

[sniper7]

Anyone who wants proof obama is not a citizen, read through this...all of it:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=906019

[PsyKo]

anyone make it out there to hear Barry's bullshit?