Obama Townhall Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

[Tristan]

My apologies, if need be-I wasn't personally attacking Jake. I was, myself, expressing my opinions. Nothing more.
Nor was I threatening. I thoroughly believe it is going to get hairier in the future, and those that want no part of it had better leave. That's all. No offense intended to anyone.

[RRD3]

Listen jake,

I don't care what you want to show me about the NHS. that is NOT what we have in the United States. that is NOT what we want in the United States.
I don't care about the UK. I want nothing to do with the UK. that is why I don't want to hear any of your blab about how the UK system works whether or not the information i have been told is true or not.
I fly with foreigners all the time, anywhere from the UK, spain, Canada, Russia, Germany, you name it. Any of them I have flown with that had a UHS said our system is much better hands down. First hand, from the mouth of foreigners is where I hear my info, not fucking CNN that you seem to believe.

Thats really great that you want to take your oath and all that. I really don't care as long as you pay your taxes and you don't try to change my country into what you left. If you want back what you left, then go back to it, don't attempt to try to change the things we have here. we built them from the ground up after whipping your guys' ass and we tend to enjoy them and want to keep them the way they are. that is why you will see for the past 80 years the liberal fucktards keep trying to change our health care and they keep failing at it.

So again, I say if you want to LOVE your country that much where you feel like you want to CHANGE MY, I repeat MY country, the United States of America, then get the fuck out.
And take the kenyan with you.

+1,000,000

The point is pretty clear. Here in the USA we should be held up to our own PERSONAL responsibilities to seceded or fail based on the work you put into it.

Take a look at Kalifornia, a complete failure of a State at every level possible. Everything from green energy, immigration, welfare, taxes and every other BS liberal policy there in Kalifornia has brought the economy of that State and every Right of Freedom there to it's knees.

Now they want the States that can run themselves to bail them out. Why?
The health care plan that the socialist fuck Obungo has put together does not say how they are going to pay for this nightmare if IF they should. Which it isn't any of the governments fucking business.
Obungo said he will raise taxes on the rich to pay for it. Really?

If you went out to dinner every weekend with a group of friends and because you make more money than they do you pick up 80% of the tab.
Are you going to keep going out with them every weekend? Fuck no!

Find new friends or just go out by yourself. ----------- The point here is, if they tax the fuck out of the rich. (which by the way is illegal) they will pack up and leave the country. Now how pays for this socialist fucking nightmare? We do... to the tune of about 45% of your pay, and that's going to drive this country into a war or rebellion due to the fact that they already take about 33% from me being a single white male.

MEDICARE... for as long as I have been able to work I have had these taxes taken out. I have never used anything that had to do with MEDICARE. Where is that money going? Who's being covered with that bullshit? If they can't run that shit now there is NO WAY they can run a program this big.

FUCK THAT!

[MichiganMilitia]

MEDICARE...

FUCK THAT!

+1,000,000

[BigMat]

I have worked in health care for a couple years and am currently in school for it. Far from an expert but it doesn’t take a whole lot of time to notice the problems we have. When I started working on an ambulance I was concerned because it isn’t the safest job in the world at all and they didn’t provide insurance until we were employed for 90 days. I was fresh out of school with about $80 to my name and in no shape to buy my own coverage. My partner and I were talking about this and he said to me “Don’t worry about it, you have a job, you don’t need health insurance.” At the time I thought he was just blowing smoke but upon working for a few years I knew he was basically spot on.
Arizona has a state paid health care system for the poor. 100% coverage if you have no money and a ton of people have it. We actually had problems with bums calling 911 to get a ride across town. Pick them up, they request going to a hospital across town, enjoy the ride and then walk out the hospitals door. That’s not even the worst of it.
As I am sure gun owners can understand it seemed to me if the laws we have now were actually enforced and those people taking advantage of the system punished, or charged, the system would start savings tons of money. We had a number of patients who were charging the state several million a year due to laziness or boredom.
There are problems, I am sure of it, and we are blowing money all kinds to cover asses from attorneys and hypochondriacs looking to sue a hospital. We are spending a ton on people who aren’t willing to help themselves. I know I am not inclined to spend the night in a hospital due to cost even with insurance but there are plenty of alcoholics who will be sleeping there tonight only to wake up in the morning and go get drunk with no work done to help them in the long term. And then you do have insurance companies out to make a profit, for example, an ambulance ride costs about $1000, give or take, the employees make about $20 for the amount of time with pay and benefits. The ambulance itself is expensive but get plenty of miles on them. The average equipment cost for IVs, blankets, etc. will be less than $100. Give or take, it costs $1000 and only $200 or so is directed to health care and transport. That leaves $800 to pad the pockets of insurance companies or CEOs. I understand profit and capitalism, but 80% is ludicrous (these are rough figures based on experience, not national standards i.e. I didn’t research this, just my memory of it).

long story short, our system takes care of the rich and the poor, but us poor working bastards our left out in the cold no matter how you swing it. My opinion, it needs a change.

sorry that's rambling, but this gets me going.

[PsyKo]

it is quit apparent that there are problems with the current health care system and changes need to be made, but jumping into a new shitty system isnt the answer just because what we have isnt perfect. fix the current problems instead of trading them for a million new ones.

[sniper7]

Found it by chance, but an arfcom member actually did some digging on one of the townhall meetings (where a little girl read a question from a sheet of paper as her mother overwatched) that Obama was prepped and ready for.

And then found what could be the mother on facebook. Then compared video. Etc and it turns out:

The mother donated about 2k to Obama's election in 2008
The mother and daughter were from out of town
The mother has associations with just about every major liberal activist in her region
The mother got a picture taken with "Obama" after the "unscreened townhall meeting"

Ironically, after every question that got asked was "pro socialized healthcare" (55 or so minutes in) Obama was actually joking to find a question against so it "wouldn't look like they are staging it..."

lol. Well, they got caught.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=911911&page=1

Two of the other people questioned (out of less than ten "randomly" selected) just happened to be teachers at the highschool that the event was held at. Coincidence?

Generally the things liberals & democrats blame others for, are the things they actively participate in the most. No company in thieves, and if they do it.. they don't trust anyone else not to do it either.

that is only one of MANY plants that have been FOUND. I am sure almost every single question obama has ever had to answer by someone from the "public" has been a plant or been pre-planned.
I would like to ask that fucking tool a few questions.

[Bowtie]

They said 36% of people in Mesa county voted for Obama. His approval rating has dropped by 20% since the election. Yet it seemed like alot of people cheering him on. Grand Junction has a very good non-profit health care center and I think thats the reason he went outthere. Hopefully he will realize that there are better options than a goverment solution. Goverment solution is a oxymoron.

[theGinsue]

here is a report forwarded to me by my Dad from someone else who was on-site for this event:

Just got back from protesting POTUS in Grand Junction -- quick report:
Started 10 am on 8.15 with freedom rally where 3,500-4,000 people showed up. If any counter protesters, they didn't speak up or have signs. Congressman Chaffetz (UT) gave great speech. He took picture & recorded crowd saying NO to Obamacare on his cell phone to post to other members of House.

Then our side had press conference at 11:30 cause media had to turn in all their equipment to be inspected by Secret Service. We had lunch and then took to streets around HIGH SCHOOL where ~1000 of our side lined one side of the main street into the HIGH SCHOOL, 500-600 OFA/SEIU astroturf & green crowd lined the other, but some of our group had to line up on a third of their side because we ran out of room on our side -- reports that they had more was false; we out numbered them about 2:1 at the only place the media bothered to look. Several hundred more of our side went to the town's visitor center so BO would see them demonstrating as he left the airport & lined another route to HIGH SCHOOL in case he came the alternate.

FYI, very few Republicans who applied got ticket into Town Hall & some who did had their tickets rescinded or were turned away at the door. Most BO supporters had been bused in from out-of-town -- they needed all the Dem's still supporting BO in GRAND JUNCTION to fill the gymnasium, even some of them were from out-of-town. They had HIGH SCHOOL Band ready to play at the corner of the street we we're on, but he went in the back way -- they used band as foil to draw the protesters -- so be aware of that tactic for furture.. Once he was inside someone came out and let the band go after they had been waiting there in uniform and formation for about ove hour & a half to play as he entered HIGH SCHOOL -- our side felt very sorry for the kids, the other side just keep jeering.

One point our side stopped chanting as the other side did most of the time and we all shouted the Pledge of Allegiance together -- opp were dumb-founded, just stood there silent many with surprized or puzzled looks, even opp leaders didn't know how to respond, but they didn't join us.

When we learned he came in back way from our members on alt route, our locals discretely spoke to small groups on our side since we had a few infiltrators; we started leaving in groups of 10-20 & re-grouped at the back entrance 3 blocks way, joining the 60-70 there from the start. We lost some of our side with this move mostly seniors because they were worn out from having been at am rally and then out in the heat at the HIGH SCHOOL entrance for another 2 couple of hours. We heard from sheriiff's deputy who is relative of one of our 912ers later that when most of our side was gone, opp loaded up buses or got into cars (minority who drove themselves) and left GRAND JUNCTION.

We continued to wait over another hour for the Town Hall to end and the motorcade to drive right past us. As they were loading vehicles we started chanting "SILENT NO MORE." But everyone was so disgusted with him sneaking in the back, dissing the band & stacking the attendees that by time the lead motorcylces drove past us about 1/3 block away, we were chanting "No You Can't" and when limo came into view the chants disintegrated into loud prolonged booing until the last vehicle was at least a block away. The people who originally lined on the alt. route to airport were still there protesting on his trip back, not sure what they yelled since we could see them, but not hear them -- opp didn't know about these back streets since they were from out-of-town & media didn't follow us so they reported everyone went home by 4:30 pm.

We have video though so I'll post link when uploaded. Considering we only had a week to set up events and get the word out, we're really proud of the turnout and all the intrepid souls who went to multiple events that day.

I want to share story of WWII vet in his 80's who came to the rally from 10-11:30am, went to press conference 11:30-noon, then stood on the first street with us from 3-4:30, walked with his cane & large "Don't Tread On Me flag" the 3 blocks to back entrance, and stayed standing until motorcade disappeared. Some of us offered to help him during the afternoon because he was looking frail and worn out, but he refused help -- he said he could hold the flag and walk using his cane himself. He said he was so upset about what is being done to his country that he fought and almost died for that he was going to do whatever he could and endure whatever he had to help us take our country back.. Those of us who heard him were inspired that he if could make, then we certainly could manage a little more heat, exercise and chanting to finish the day and continue fight over the coming months. All of We the People on our side in Grand Junction yesterday were Proud to Be Americans Exercising Our Rights and Standing Up for Our Country! God Bless America!

The media may not be covering it, but Colorado's Majority (along with some from Utah & NM) is SILENT NO MORE!
Lug Wrench Lu
Link to good set of GRAND JUNCTION pictures from Chuck Broerman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranWacynFPc