Obama Townhall Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

[jim02]

Obama Townhall for Health Care Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124994653098120945.html

Chicken shit is having 2 of the 3, in out of the way locations, Grand Junction and Bozeman.
I hope we got some people here that can make it.

[sniper7]

hopefully people ream his ass. i wish he would understand that when a shit ton of people (waaayyy over 50%) do not want this to drop it.
the only people that want this are the lazy liberal fucks who want something for nothing and the people living on welfare.

I pay for my medical and my fiance pays for medical. I don't see why people can't pay for their own shit instead of wanting the government to take care of it for them in the form of taxes.

[theGinsue]

I'm with you all on this. The media is reporting that while attendees are violent and agressive (quotes from the media) at events hosted by members of Congress, so far folks have been "very respectful" to him. It would be great to have such a different result in GJ that even the lib media would have to report a new outcome. Sadly, from my experience in attending events like this, those with dissenting opinions are filtered out from being able to attend to the greatest extent possible.

During the election I recall folks in Grand Junction from this site saying that the city has shown a serious turn towards Liberalism. I hope those folks who have never fallen under his spell, and those who've finally come out of his hypnotic trance will show in numbers that he, and the lib media, can't ignore. Surely lib power players such a Pelosi will continue to try to sell to the nation that all of the hoopla against this "reform" is nothing more than choreographed "astroturf" protests - organized by the GOP. They don't want those poorly informed to realize that the protests represent a small sample of the true national public opinion on this topic - the people just don't want this!

As far as this "reform" goes... I agree with the precept that fighting a horrible disease shouldn't bankrupt a family, but this is definitely NOT the way to correct the problem. To take from those who have - who were willing to work for it and sacrifice some of the nice-ities and extra dinners out so they can afford healthcare - and just hand it over to those who are unwilling to work or sacrifice is nothing short of government enforced stealing. How about reforming the healthcare insurance industry who take your faithfully paid premiums to simply deny essential care out of hand (research Actuarial Tables and view the movie The Rainmaker for examples of how this happens every day).

The proponents are selling this "reform" under the guise of "availability to healthcare for all". We've had a few of our national elected officials tell us the true nature of thier "reform" - people needing care will have to accept their circumstances and "sacrifice". What we aren't being told is that the only level of care you'll get is for the common cold and other minor illnesses/injuries. Much of the "care" that is currently "available" will have to become unavailable due to the cost of such care (research examples of how this occured in Canada and the U.K.).

We've heard that the Fed's are considering imposing "fat taxes" on things like soda and fast food. How long before the government looks at your lifestyle and sees that you enjoy a couple of sodas/day and a Big Mac once a week and translates that to the cause of your excess weight or high blood pressure and decides that you don't get "care" because you've made intentional bad health choices? Sure, this sounds tin-foil hat preposterous but who would have thought it possible 5 years ago that 1 man could triple our national debt in the first 5 months of his presidency?

Personally I'd prefer the government quit meddling in affairs that relate to my health - I honestly believe my chances of survival will be much better that way!

[Jer]

Who's down for a car pool road trip from the Northern area?

[jake]

I'm with you all on this. The media is reporting that while attendees are violent and agressive (quotes from the media) at events hosted by members of Congress,

Just to clarify a couple of things... are you implying that the media is spinning what is going on at these meetings to make it sound like people are being violent and aggressive? Because I have been watching some of the footage and people ARE being violent and aggressive at these meetings.

Much of the "care" that is currently "available" will have to become unavailable due to the cost of such care (research examples of how this occured in Canada and the U.K.).

And yet health care in the UK still manages to be ranked higher than that here. I mean I am aware, thanks to that Investor's Business Daily editorial, that if Stephen Hawking was born in the UK he wouldn't have survived because the bureaucracy would have deemed his life not worth prolonging, but I am also aware that a lot of the unfavourable comparisons that are floating around are based on out of date data.

[hobowh]

Just to clarify a couple of things... are you implying that the media is spinning what is going on at these meetings to make it sound like people are being violent and aggressive? Because I have been watching some of the footage and people ARE being violent and aggressive at these meetings.


And yet health care in the UK still manages to be ranked higher than that here. I mean I am aware, thanks to that Investor's Business Daily editorial, that if Stephen Hawking was born in the UK he wouldn't have survived because the bureaucracy would have deemed his life not worth prolonging, but I am also aware that a lot of the unfavourable comparisons that are floating around are based on out of date data.

My grandmother had her hip replaced in the UK same docor that did the queens. When she got back here she had to lay in a hospital bed for 4 months while the bone healed enough to have a new replacement done. The hospital that it was done at was a stables, and arena before ww2. So the ratings may be a little inflated.

[jake]

My grandmother had her hip replaced in the UK same docor that did the queens. When she got back here she had to lay in a hospital bed for 4 months while the bone healed enough to have a new replacement done. The hospital that it was done at was a stables, and arena before ww2. So the ratings may be a little inflated.

Yes, you said that in another thread, and in the same thread I replied that about three years ago I took my wife to the ER in Florida in need of emergency surgery and she was sent home because "it's Christmas so no one will be available to see you." When she was finally seen, after Christmas at another hopsital, the doctor was aghast at this decision as it could have cost her life. So my anecdote cancels out your anecdote and they both prove nothing.

My grandmother has had both of her hips replaced with no post surgical complications at all. It sounds like your grandmother was unfortunately unlucky and I hope that she is doing better now, but I don't know if it can really be blamed on the health service in the UK.

As for the history of the hospital she was treated at, I've no doubt that was true. A hospital in my home town was formerly a workhouse pre World War One (it's no longer there, but has finally been replaced by a modern building). Britain is a smaller country that the United States so especially in urban areas we don't always have the space to build modern buildings. However inside those buildings, the equipment is as up to date as anything I would expect to find here.

A couple of facts (facts) from 2006. Based on a per capita yearly spend of $6700 in the US and $2800 in the UK, the UK offers almost the same number of doctors per 10,000 people, substantially more nurses per 10,000 people, more hospital beds per 10,000 people and a higher life expectancy at birth. Not bad for a system that is apparently falling apart.

[Jer]

I'm in for tickets.

[Elhuero]

most americans support and are eager for obama's med plans.

it's a vast right wing conspiracy that's planting fake troublemakers in the audiences.

such low tactics. liberals and democrats have never had to organize demonstrations, have always respected the speakers at the podium, and have never, ever used plants in the audience.

heh