Obama Townhall Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

[jake]

I saw that you are from the UK.

YOU can go back since YOU seem to love it soo much.

better jump on the AMERICA band wagon because that is where you are at, NOT in the UK.

Like I said, start to enjoy the US for what it is, don't try to change it into the UK that YOU LEFT. If you want your UK sooo badly, then GO BACK TO IT.

Yeah, I noticed you just edited your post. The reply I was going to type to your original post was this: if you think that knowing more than you about the culture of the country that I was born in is so offensive, you're welcome to report me to USCIS and attempt to have me deported.

But to reply to what you have edited it to... yeah, I love the country that I was born in. If THAT is so offensive to you, I assume YOU don't love the country you were born in... am I correct?

Now, point me to ANYWHERE in my posts that I said I want to change America to be like the UK.

Don't assume you know anything about how I feel about living here simply from me correcting YOUR misconceptions about where I came from. For your information, and not that it's any of your business, about two weeks ago I mailed my N-400 (application for naturalization). On Wednesday I'm going to be fingerprinted for my FBI background check and going by the current waiting times for the Denver USCIS office I should be taking my citizenship oath in November.

I love living in this country, and I don't ever anticipate returning to the UK to live permanently. That doesn't mean that I am not proud of the country I grew up in, and it doesn't mean that I should let you trumpet the same old mistruths about it without any attempt to redress the balance.

[sniper7]

Yeah, I noticed you just edited your post. The reply I was going to type to your original post was this: if you think that knowing more than you about the culture of the country that I was born in is so offensive, you're welcome to report me to USCIS and attempt to have me deported.

But to reply to what you have edited it to... yeah, I love the country that I was born in. If THAT is so offensive to you, I assume YOU don't love the country you were born in... am I correct?

Now, point me to ANYWHERE in my posts that I said I want to change America to be like the UK.

Don't assume you know anything about how I feel about living here simply from me correcting YOUR misconceptions about where I came from. For your information, and not that it's any of your business, about two weeks ago I mailed my N-400 (application for naturalization). On Wednesday I'm going to be fingerprinted for my FBI background check and going by the current waiting times for the Denver USCIS office I should be taking my citizenship oath in November.

I love living in this country, and I don't ever anticipate returning to the UK to live permanently. That doesn't mean that I am not proud of the country I grew up in, and it doesn't mean that I should let you trumpet the same old mistruths about it without any attempt to redress the balance.

Listen jake,

I don't care what you want to show me about the NHS. that is NOT what we have in the United States. that is NOT what we want in the United States.
I don't care about the UK. I want nothing to do with the UK. that is why I don't want to hear any of your blab about how the UK system works whether or not the information i have been told is true or not.
I fly with foreigners all the time, anywhere from the UK, spain, Canada, Russia, Germany, you name it. Any of them I have flown with that had a UHS said our system is much better hands down. First hand, from the mouth of foreigners is where I hear my info, not fucking CNN that you seem to believe.

Thats really great that you want to take your oath and all that. I really don't care as long as you pay your taxes and you don't try to change my country into what you left. If you want back what you left, then go back to it, don't attempt to try to change the things we have here. we built them from the ground up after whipping your guys' ass and we tend to enjoy them and want to keep them the way they are. that is why you will see for the past 80 years the liberal fucktards keep trying to change our health care and they keep failing at it.

So again, I say if you want to LOVE your country that much where you feel like you want to CHANGE MY, I repeat MY country, the United States of America, then get the fuck out.
And take the kenyan with you.

[jake]

It's also not what you are being offered in the United States so I don't really see what your problem is.

You say that you did notice that I'm from the UK, and then you accuse me of getting my information about the UK from CNN? It's pretty clear that you don't really read (or perhaps comprehend) anything I'm saying because once again you've accused me of trying to change this country into the country I'm from. Again I'll say to you, show me anywhere I have said that.

I'm aware that you don't care about anything I say... it's pretty clear that you're one of those people who doesn't like to have his neat little worldview challenged in any way. If that works for you, that's fantastic. I'd love to know what will happen to that worldview when healthcare is reformed and the country doesn't fall apart, or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

[theGinsue]

... or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

"More completely than it's already been proved"? When? I have watched this particular issue very closely and have seen no such proof yet. In fact, all I've seen is a few politicians claim Obama's Hawaiian birth, but no real birth certificate has yet to be produced. No hospital has even come forward to say "YES, he was born here". Until I see HARD evidence, I'm not willing to accept his claim to the Office of the Presidency of the Unites States.

[Tristan]

Okay. I thought this was about the meetings and I see this. So, now I've got to get involved.
Jake, I understand what you say-but you are missing out on the larger picture.
It is called
FREEDOM.
FREEDOM to make our own choices.
FREEDOM to live our lives the way we want.
FREEDOM to do what we want, when we want, where we want and with whom we want.
-These are our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS that NO MAN can put asunder-
All within the boundaries of the law and common sense, of course.
I would imagine that is why you love it here so much-I doubt that it is simply the geography.
I know the UK picture has been twisted a bit by both sides-nonetheless, the Brits have a lot less freedoms to enjoy. One of our favorite historic figures was a Lord from England-who, although he loved his country, fought and thought his way to a new country, one that would have freedoms he couldn't enjoy in his native land. Then he was stripped of his Lordship and more and left his Love and his riches to live out his years in this new, Great Country with his son, who really turned his back on him because of his loyalty to the Motherland-but that is a different and long story. So you have a high horse to ride, be it right or wrong, the standard was set by Ben over 200 years ago. It is what our Country is based on.
DON'T TREAD ON ME.
Plain and simple. We like making our own decisions, not having some moron in Washington or anywhere else making such serious decisions for us. It's OUR choice, not theirs.
Sniper and the rest of us like and love our freedom and will fight and kill and die for it. And I personally will be the first to punch some idiot in the nose over all this and get the ball rolling.
I think you'd best remember that fact. And unless you are willing to do the same, no matter where you came from, it really would be best to leave.

[sniper7]

It's also not what you are being offered in the United States so I don't really see what your problem is.

You say that you did notice that I'm from the UK, and then you accuse me of getting my information about the UK from CNN? It's pretty clear that you don't really read (or perhaps comprehend) anything I'm saying because once again you've accused me of trying to change this country into the country I'm from. Again I'll say to you, show me anywhere I have said that.

I'm aware that you don't care about anything I say... it's pretty clear that you're one of those people who doesn't like to have his neat little worldview challenged in any way. If that works for you, that's fantastic. I'd love to know what will happen to that worldview when healthcare is reformed and the country doesn't fall apart, or when "the kenyan's" nationality is proved even more completely than it's already been proved, but I imagine you won't have much to say then apart from throwing around insults.

Listen Jake, I am about ready to label you a dipshit. don't tell me I don't comprehend when you have not read what I wrote.
I told you where I get MY info. I said you must believe I get my info from CNN. get your fucking nose out of the air, put your eyes to the screen and read what I write down, not what you think i am saying. there is a difference. Can you comprehend that?

Before you also shoved your nose higher up in the air saying "in case you didn't know I am from the UK"
get your nose out of the air. This isn't the UK where you walk around all day believing you are better than anyone else around you. Show some respect. I will show you none because you have not come close to earning a single ounce of respect acting the way you do.

Like I and others have said. This is OUR country, land of the free, home of the brave. Key word being FREE. Free does not mean work for nothing, get something for nothing, have things handed to you by your government. It means you work for what you get. whether it is from the ground up, passed on to you by your parents etc etc. you have the option of success or failure. With a government run health care, there is really no option. at that point if you have a job you are required to pay taxes which will cover the health care. We ALREADY have waaayyy too many programs that use this. Most of them started out with great intentions (welfare, unemployment) but now they are extorted to the fullest extent allowing maximum laziness.
Healthcare is another one of those good intent issues. in the end it would fail just like the others. the people willing to work get to bring home less, live on less, work harder to try and make the american dream, while the bottom feeders live off of our hard work.
that is not America. That is not what we stand for. That is not what we want.
So try to think about what Freedom truly means.

next, home of the Brave. Not only is this the soldiers who fight across the globe to keep our freedoms free (along with other countries) but for those who stand up to the government, take a stand, go to townhall meetings and tell their senators what they think even if CNN will boast them as terrorists, anti-americans etc etc. just because it isn't what mainsteam media and billionaire Michael Bloomberg want, doesn't mean it isn't what the country wants.
Again, healthcare in the USA has been a topic for damn close to 100 years and the democrats keep failing. They fail because Americans know they don't want the government to take over more private sectors.
it is enough with the banks and the automakers. what is next? airlines, railroad, trucking?
If anything the American people are going to look at ways to downsize the government, reduce taxes, keep tabs on where OUR money is going, why nancy pelosi needs a fucking 757 to get back and forth from home in CA and work in DC.
We are tired of seeing our money wasted fruitlessly. the .gov tells us it is only a small drop in the bucket. But when we see thousands of drops falling into a bucket and not getting anything to drink, then we start to wonder where it is all going.

Before you take your oath, make sure you comprehend that, and not only comprehend it, but believe it.

[sniper7]

Anyone who wants proof obama is not a citizen, read through this...all of it:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=906019

[PsyKo]

anyone make it out there to hear Barry's bullshit?

[Tristan]

My apologies, if need be-I wasn't personally attacking Jake. I was, myself, expressing my opinions. Nothing more.
Nor was I threatening. I thoroughly believe it is going to get hairier in the future, and those that want no part of it had better leave. That's all. No offense intended to anyone.

[RRD3]

Listen jake,

I don't care what you want to show me about the NHS. that is NOT what we have in the United States. that is NOT what we want in the United States.
I don't care about the UK. I want nothing to do with the UK. that is why I don't want to hear any of your blab about how the UK system works whether or not the information i have been told is true or not.
I fly with foreigners all the time, anywhere from the UK, spain, Canada, Russia, Germany, you name it. Any of them I have flown with that had a UHS said our system is much better hands down. First hand, from the mouth of foreigners is where I hear my info, not fucking CNN that you seem to believe.

Thats really great that you want to take your oath and all that. I really don't care as long as you pay your taxes and you don't try to change my country into what you left. If you want back what you left, then go back to it, don't attempt to try to change the things we have here. we built them from the ground up after whipping your guys' ass and we tend to enjoy them and want to keep them the way they are. that is why you will see for the past 80 years the liberal fucktards keep trying to change our health care and they keep failing at it.

So again, I say if you want to LOVE your country that much where you feel like you want to CHANGE MY, I repeat MY country, the United States of America, then get the fuck out.
And take the kenyan with you.

+1,000,000

The point is pretty clear. Here in the USA we should be held up to our own PERSONAL responsibilities to seceded or fail based on the work you put into it.

Take a look at Kalifornia, a complete failure of a State at every level possible. Everything from green energy, immigration, welfare, taxes and every other BS liberal policy there in Kalifornia has brought the economy of that State and every Right of Freedom there to it's knees.

Now they want the States that can run themselves to bail them out. Why?
The health care plan that the socialist fuck Obungo has put together does not say how they are going to pay for this nightmare if IF they should. Which it isn't any of the governments fucking business.
Obungo said he will raise taxes on the rich to pay for it. Really?

If you went out to dinner every weekend with a group of friends and because you make more money than they do you pick up 80% of the tab.
Are you going to keep going out with them every weekend? Fuck no!

Find new friends or just go out by yourself. ----------- The point here is, if they tax the fuck out of the rich. (which by the way is illegal) they will pack up and leave the country. Now how pays for this socialist fucking nightmare? We do... to the tune of about 45% of your pay, and that's going to drive this country into a war or rebellion due to the fact that they already take about 33% from me being a single white male.

MEDICARE... for as long as I have been able to work I have had these taxes taken out. I have never used anything that had to do with MEDICARE. Where is that money going? Who's being covered with that bullshit? If they can't run that shit now there is NO WAY they can run a program this big.

FUCK THAT!