Largest health insurer on Colorado exchange collapses

[bellavite1]

505 for myself and the wife.
Next year cheapest option is 604 with kaiser, 625 with Humana ( probably going with the latter).
Using a non approved plan or no plan at all would cost us $1390 in IRS penalties, about $130 a month.
Where is that vaseline jar again?

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[sniper7]

I hope this means some changes that health providers stop giving free care to illegals and folks without insurance and obamacare gets wiped out. Just one more failed program that government should have stayed out of. I'm tired of my health costs going up because the government wants to give it to other people for nothing.

[Gman]

I have insurance through work that I pay for every paycheck. After the $5K deductible, they let you pay 80% and they pick up 20%. After $12K out of pocket, they pay 100% until the plan resets again March 1st.

I can't believe the government lied to us and we never realized the promise of cheaper healthcare.

[Justin]

It's ok, guys. Bernie Sanders said the solution to this problem is a single-payer healthcare plan.

We're saved!

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's ok, guys. Bernie Sanders said the solution to this problem is a single-payer healthcare plan.

That's been the plan all along. Anyone who thought Obama actually intended these exchanges to work has been fooling themselves. They want to destroy the private system and are happy to do it in stages.

[Skip]

That's been the plan all along. Anyone who thought Obama actually intended these exchanges to work has been fooling themselves. They want to destroy the private system and are happy to do it in stages.

Which [the public option] is equally (if not more) unsustainable.

Where do they get the value (used to be money) to pay for all of this? A VAT? Higher payroll/income taxes? Sure, tax "the rich" (except Dems) and watch unemployment spike. It's a zero-sum game with collectivists.

I think a lot of Bernie voters know this but mistakenly think they will get to pick winners and losers.

[Ridge]

That's been the plan all along. Anyone who thought Obama actually intended these exchanges to work has been fooling themselves. They want to destroy the private system and are happy to do it in stages.

I don't really see a problem with it, honestly. Treating healthcare as a for-profit enterprise will only hurt the consumer, which is everyone. From the surgery costs to the drug costs, there is profit that needs to be made at every level, which drives up the cost greatly.

Canada has basic medical care as single payer, with voluntary procedures (typically the most expensive procedures) not covered and subject to additional costs/coverage under private plans.

I'm going to say this now, because I know it'll be accused of me if I don't. Hillary is not to be trusted, and Bernie Sanders is living in a dream world and his plans are not fiscally feasible.

[Irving]

I don't really see a problem with it, honestly. Treating healthcare as a for-profit enterprise will only hurt the consumer, which is everyone. From the surgery costs to the drug costs, there is profit that needs to be made at every level, which drives up the cost greatly.

Canada has basic medical care as single payer, with voluntary procedures (typically the most expensive procedures) not covered and subject to additional costs/coverage under private plans.

I'm going to say this now, because I know it'll be accused of me if I don't. Hillary is not to be trusted, and Bernie Sanders is living in a dream world and his plans are not fiscally feasible.

I think that the much bigger problem is that with current health "insurance," people are completely insulated from the actual price of procedures and don't/can't price shop. Voluntary medical procedures like lasik and plastic surgery are for sure run on a for profit basis and the prices have been dropping while procedures have been getting better.

I wish I could remember the website, but there is a place where you can submit a procedure you need doing, and not only do they price shop for you, but actually pay you to go to the places that are less expensive. The payment comes directly from your provider, who is enthusiastic about people not blindly spending money that mostly falls to the provider.

[Great-Kazoo]

It's ok, guys. Bernie Sanders said the solution to this problem is a single-payer healthcare plan.

We're saved!

Want to see how well a government run health care system works. Visit an Indian reservation.

[Circuits]

The key to victory is to make sure that no matter what is chosen, all paths lead to the desired outcome, at least eventually.

This preserves the illusion of choice, to pacify the unruly, while guaranteeing the triumph of the state.