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So to those that are not, why are you not supporting Trump?
He will led to the retaking of the American West from the illegal hordes, which is only a good thing, seeing how if they are given papers they will vote solidly for the left.
No he won't. Just because he says stuff, doesn't mean he'll be able to accomplish any of those things. Take a look at Obama and trying to pass gun control measures. This last round of executive orders might as well have been written on a bar napkin.Originally Posted by SG1
"There are no finger prints under water."
I will support Trump if he ends up being the Republican nominee but solely because the Dems are so bad. There are much better candidates on the Republican side to root for. Trump has a history of supporting liberals and liberal causes and all his statements other than "I will build a wall and I'll make Mexico pay for it" are the epitome of vagueness.
Cruz and Carson will at least try to rein in the growth of the government and its intrusion into our personal lives. Rubio has shown a greater command of foreign affairs and national security topics. Christie has at least shown an ability and willingness to fight Democrats, even if he's a New Jerseyite who'd be a Dem if he was in Wyoming or Montana.
Agreed, I will vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee.
Trump talks a good game, I am not sure if his talk will translate into the kind of action that I am looking for or if it will result in any action at all. One thing I can say, Trump is entertaining as hell.
Last edited by roberth; 01-09-2016 at 21:14.
As Aloha and Roberth said... I would support Trump if he was the Republican nominee. I despise Trump and you should too.
He is a crony capitalist by definition and really does nothing to restore individual liberty. I like the things he says about immigration and guns... but this is the same guy that supported both Clintons in their previous political endeavors and previously supported gun control at a national level. Apart from that, he's a rich celebrity who is running the election like a middle school class president contest, and that is reason enough to despise him. Guy was on Wrestenmania a few years ago. He's basically President Camacho from Idiocracy. I don't think he could get much done as president because he's so inflammatory. With that consideration, I also think that is a good thing because he has clearly abused the relationship between government and corporations in the past and I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he would do anything to fix that, even if it WAS within the powers of the office of President of the United States. As an AD member of the military, I am terrified about his awful foreign policy pipe dreams.
My order of preference is:
1. Rand Paul
2. Ted Cruz
3. Gary Johnson/John McAffee?
3b. Ben Carson (although he has many areas that concern me as well... he is a very distant 3rd)
4. Donald Trump
Last edited by HoneyBadger; 01-09-2016 at 22:25.
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"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat
"I am a conservative. Quite possibly I am on the losing side; often I think so. Yet, out of a curious perversity I had rather lose with Socrates, let us say, than win with Lenin."
― Russell Kirk, Author of The Conservative Mind
Well most Americans support deportations/a fence while most Americans do not want gun control, apples to oranges.
With a real Conservative Congress behind him we can get stuff done.
The man bought who was for sale, and that was the Clintons.
Mcaffee is really running? I thought that was a joke.
Well he is done speaking on P.C which is a great thing. As for immigration, that alone will insure we secure our future as mass immigration (legal or otherwise) will create a one party state just as it did California, only on a nation scale.
You can not take people from peasant cultures, who values collectivism/statism and have no understand or value of Liberty, and who vote lockstep for the same crap they did back home, place them here and expect them to change, they will not change they will only reduce us to the same serfs they are.
Unrestricted Immigration=Restricted Liberty
Or
Restricted Immigration=Unrestricted Liberty
More and more we are picking Liberty over Immigration as we should have from the begin.
“maximum security at the borders and maximum liberty within the borders.”
Thank you HoneyBadger for your further explanation on Trump.
SG1 - I understand about Trump being opportunistic about the Klintons, doesn't have to mean that I accept it. This is a personal responsibility/personal conduct issue and Trump's conduct is lacking. He was already a billionaire, no reason to sully himself with the Klintons but he did.
I like this statement alot. We can apply it to Colorado, Colorado used to be a free state then CA and other leftist state people started moving here.You can not take people from peasant cultures, who values collectivism/statism and have no understand or value of Liberty, and who vote lockstep for the same crap they did back home, place them here and expect them to change, they will not change they will only reduce us to the same serfs they are.
Did most of these immigrants adopt the freedoms CO presented 15 years ago? No! They changed CO into CA/NY.
SG1 - your concerns with immigration are, I think, completely valid. However, when Trump runs a national ad campaign running on the platform that we'll build a wall and somehow "make Mexico pay for it", I just laugh. In some ways, a wall would help the same way that a lock on your door keeps honest people honest, but the wall in many ways would be an ineffectual as many other laws (gun laws are perfect example). Unless you turn it into the DMZ, we will ALWAYS have people finding a way across, albeit in lower numbers. If terrorists really want to get into the US, there are about a dozen ways that are quicker and easier.
My Feedback
"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat
"I am a conservative. Quite possibly I am on the losing side; often I think so. Yet, out of a curious perversity I had rather lose with Socrates, let us say, than win with Lenin."
― Russell Kirk, Author of The Conservative Mind
Just to invoke some actual facts on what I hope are just poorly worded anti-immigrant statements, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia who actually seek citizenship through the normal naturalization process are some of the best citizens I know. They know exactly what they escaped from and the citizenship test they take ought to be required in US high schools. They know and understand not only our system of government as laid out by the Founding Fathers but also the heritage that led to the Constitution. Try to get a a credible explanation of what it means to be an American or what our actual rights under the Constitution are from your average Valley Girl or boy from Lon Gisland ...
Most vehement diatribe I ever heard against Obama came from a man who immigrated from Ghana and knew Obama from his college years. Not only did the man detest Obama and the air he breathes but he understood exactly what Constitutional principles Obama has violated consistently, how Obama has distorted and distended our system of government, etc.
Right now, my top 3 are Carson, Cruz, and Rubio (listed alphabetically, not by any order of preference). Paul and Trump are the bottom of my list for GOP nominees but I would support either one of them in a general election. I'd love to see the next AG to indict Hillary for purposefully violating national security (among her other crimes) but I'm not going to hold my breath. MoveOn.org will pout and cry, the Republicans will be cautioned to be satisfied with whatever wins they get in 2016, and the Clintons will escape well-deserved justice yet again.
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