2016 Election/Debate Threads

[Irving]

Can you clarify if you're saying that the only acceptable immigrants are from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia, or those are the only area that you have personally known immigrants from?

[Great-Kazoo]

Well most Americans support deportations/a fence while most Americans do not want gun control, apples to oranges.

With a real Conservative Congress behind him we can get stuff done.

You forget the sarcasm smiley in that post??

There is no or has been a Real Conservative Congress since who knows how long.

The people holding office are nothing but clowns honking horns falling over them self seeing who can get the most done, with the least amount of work.

This congress bent over , handing everything Obama wanted in the last package they signed off on.

Immigration, neither side wants to eliminate the illegals over running the border. The D's for voting power.The R's for cheap labor. At least the D's are open when it comes to illegals.

I'd wager ANYONE holding office would sign off on "tougher gun measures" IF it was politically positive for them .

It's past time for the country to put the title of President out to pasture. Make them a parade waving figurehead, nothing more.

WAY PAST TIME to put the power of the electorate BACK in to the hands of the People. Shitcan the lobbyist, shitcan the power brokers. Give the individual the power to bribe or intimidate the elected official , as it should be.

Last item. TWO YEAR TERM LIMIT.
The don't perform as promised, Out the door. Under their own power, or with help.

[HoneyBadger]

Just to clarify, I 100% support LEGAL immigration. This country was built into the world power that it is today by immigrants. I am 100% against illegal immigration and any effort to circumvent the system we have in place, especially any effort to loot the system and be a parasite for the tax dollars of the providers.

I do believe that the current system for legal immigration needs a significant overhaul.... It should not take 5+ years and thousands of dollars to become an American citizen. I have a close friend from Romania who is 6 years into the process and is hoping to finally get his citizenship sometime in 2017. The hoops that he has had to jump through are insane. He's been in the US for almost 10 years now... speaks perfect English... He even has a Pilot's license and IFR cert... But he wants to do it "the right way" (legally) so he is basically being penalized. People who can successfully legally immigrate to the US have already proven their dedication, hard work, and willingness to sacrifice - with NO expectation of handouts. It's no wonder they are usually quite successful.

[roberth]

Just to clarify, I 100% support LEGAL immigration. This country was built into the world power that it is today by immigrants. I am 100% against illegal immigration and any effort to circumvent the system we have in place, especially any effort to loot the system and be a parasite for the tax dollars of the providers. .

Same here, LEGAL immigration is great. Illegal immigrants do not belong here.

[DireWolf]

Agree that LEGAL immigration in the traditional context is great, but the flood of temp workers such (H1B, etc), which is also legal, is absolutely against our best interests and is wreaking havoc on a broad scale with regard to employment and compensation for actual Americans (by either birth or naturalization).

I have observed at first-hand this cancer (figurative, but many parralells exist in both presentation and likely eventual outcome) over recent years and across many industries/organizations/geographies....

The impact of this malicious growth (still legal - and encouraged by our overlords) is huge for both wages and career growth. For reasons I choose not to elaborate on right now, it also makes it ever harder for new job-seekers to fill positions instead of using guest workers. The argument that skilled workers dont exist is total bullshit, because people already exist to fill many of these roles but are not selected over their "imported" (temporary) counterparts, and many currently un/under-enployed people can be retrained to do many of the types of jobs which need to be filled - this would be huge for us and just requires funding retraining initiatives (would be a good use of taxpayer money and provide some direct return), and fully disincentivising large-scale use of workers specifically imported for that purpose - any economic need which is truly that dire can be used as an opportunity to provide vocational training and job fast-tracking - I have no doubt that if the opportunities are there amd compensation is fair, you'll have people lining up to learn and work....

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[Aloha_Shooter]

Can you clarify if you're saying that the only acceptable immigrants are from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia, or those are the only area that you have personally known immigrants from?

I have also known immigrants from Western Europe and South America but the Western European immigrants seem less appreciative of American traditions and heritage. I suspect that's a combination of the socialist bias endemic in so many of the Western European countries and the fact that very few of them have had to endure totalitarian regimes. My experience with immigrants from Micronesia has been ... less than positive in general.

I think any immigrant that follows established procedures, appreciates American traditions and history, is willing to work to get ahead rather than be a tapeworm on society, and doesn't pose a threat to society for health/safety/criminal reasons is generally acceptable. Anyone who doesn't fit that description is unacceptable. That includes people demanding Sharia law in the US, criminals, people with dangerous communicable diseases, and people who want to turn the US into Europe or Mexico or a Socialist Workers Paradise.

My point was simply that there were some pretty broad statements about immigrants here. I want more Bruce Lees, Andrew Carnegies, Maria Conchita Alonsos, Mel Gibsons, and Andrew Groves and fewer Teresa Heinz Kerrys, George Soros, Jim Carreys, and Emily Blunts. Hell, I'd like fewer Sean Penns, Michael Moores, and Quentin Tarantinos as well but they were unfortunately born here.

[roberth]

Thank you Aloha_Shooter for your insight.

[Great-Kazoo]

Maria Conchita Alonsos,

[SG1]

You forget the sarcasm smiley in that post??

There is no or has been a Real Conservative Congress since who knows how long.

The people holding office are nothing but clowns honking horns falling over them self seeing who can get the most done, with the least amount of work.

This congress bent over , handing everything Obama wanted in the last package they signed off on.

Immigration, neither side wants to eliminate the illegals over running the border. The D's for voting power.The R's for cheap labor. At least the D's are open when it comes to illegals.

I'd wager ANYONE holding office would sign off on "tougher gun measures" IF it was politically positive for them .

It's past time for the country to put the title of President out to pasture. Make them a parade waving figurehead, nothing more.

WAY PAST TIME to put the power of the electorate BACK in to the hands of the People. Shitcan the lobbyist, shitcan the power brokers. Give the individual the power to bribe or intimidate the elected official , as it should be.

Last item. TWO YEAR TERM LIMIT.
The don't perform as promised, Out the door. Under their own power, or with help.

The RINOSs are being removed and the Establishment is done for, for 50 years they have lost, and even when they have won and had power, they did nothing, their are either fools or controlled opposition. As for term limits, totally agree.

[SG1]

I have also known immigrants from Western Europe and South America but the Western European immigrants seem less appreciative of American traditions and heritage. I suspect that's a combination of the socialist bias endemic in so many of the Western European countries and the fact that very few of them have had to endure totalitarian regimes. My experience with immigrants from Micronesia has been ... less than positive in general.

I think any immigrant that follows established procedures, appreciates American traditions and history, is willing to work to get ahead rather than be a tapeworm on society, and doesn't pose a threat to society for health/safety/criminal reasons is generally acceptable. Anyone who doesn't fit that description is unacceptable. That includes people demanding Sharia law in the US, criminals, people with dangerous communicable diseases, and people who want to turn the US into Europe or Mexico or a Socialist Workers Paradise.

My point was simply that there were some pretty broad statements about immigrants here. I want more Bruce Lees, Andrew Carnegies, Maria Conchita Alonsos, Mel Gibsons, and Andrew Groves and fewer Teresa Heinz Kerrys, George Soros, Jim Carreys, and Emily Blunts. Hell, I'd like fewer Sean Penns, Michael Moores, and Quentin Tarantinos as well but they were unfortunately born here.

Its most of them, which is why we need to reduce immigration as a whole.