2016 Election/Debate Threads

[SG1]

Agree that LEGAL immigration in the traditional context is great, but the flood of temp workers such (H1B, etc), which is also legal, is absolutely against our best interests and is wreaking havoc on a broad scale with regard to employment and compensation for actual Americans (by either birth or naturalization).



I have observed at first-hand this cancer (figurative, but many parralells exist in both presentation and likely eventual outcome) over recent years and across many industries/organizations/geographies....

The impact of this malicious growth (still legal - and encouraged by our overlords) is huge for both wages and career growth. For reasons I choose not to elaborate on right now, it also makes it ever harder for new job-seekers to fill positions instead of using guest workers. The argument that skilled workers dont exist is total bullshit, because people already exist to fill many of these roles but are not selected over their "imported" (temporary) counterparts, and many currently un/under-enployed people can be retrained to do many of the types of jobs which need to be filled - this would be huge for us and just requires funding retraining initiatives (would be a good use of taxpayer money and provide some direct return), and fully disincentivising large-scale use of workers specifically imported for that purpose - any economic need which is truly that dire can be used as an opportunity to provide vocational training and job fast-tracking - I have no doubt that if the opportunities are there amd compensation is fair, you'll have people lining up to learn and work....

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Their is always a shortage of "cheap" labor.

[SG1]

Thank you HoneyBadger for your further explanation on Trump.

SG1 - I understand about Trump being opportunistic about the Klintons, doesn't have to mean that I accept it. This is a personal responsibility/personal conduct issue and Trump's conduct is lacking. He was already a billionaire, no reason to sully himself with the Klintons but he did.



I like this statement alot. We can apply it to Colorado, Colorado used to be a free state then CA and other leftist state people started moving here.

Did most of these immigrants adopt the freedoms CO presented 15 years ago? No! They changed CO into CA/NY.

You are more then welcome.



Stop Califroinication

[SG1]

[QUOTE=Aloha_Shooter;1947233]Just to invoke some actual facts on what I hope are just poorly worded anti-immigrant statements, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia who actually seek citizenship through the normal naturalization process are some of the best citizens I know.

Their voting habits prove other wise as a majority, sure SOME are good, but most just repeat the same failed political/cultural views. Also we are pro American, not "anti immigrant".

They know exactly what they escaped from and the citizenship test they take ought to be required in US high schools.

Yes and some people just do not learn...

And It should be, also make it harder to vote.

They know and understand not only our system of government as laid out by the Founding Fathers but also the heritage that led to the Constitution.Try to get a a credible explanation of what it means to be an American or what our actual rights under the Constitution are from your average Valley Girl or boy from Lon Gisland ...

We have more then enough clueless, useful idiots and low/no info voters why import more?

Most vehement diatribe I ever heard against Obama came from a man who immigrated from Ghana and knew Obama from his college years. Not only did the man detest Obama and the air he breathes but he understood exactly what Constitutional principles Obama has violated consistently, how Obama has distorted and distended our system of government, etc.

And how many from his nation voted FOR him?

Right now, my top 3 are Carson, Cruz, and Rubio (listed alphabetically, not by any order of preference). Paul and Trump are the bottom of my list for GOP nominees but I would support either one of them in a general election. I'd love to see the next AG to indict Hillary for purposefully violating national security (among her other crimes) but I'm not going to hold my breath. MoveOn.org will pout and cry, the Republicans will be cautioned to be satisfied with whatever wins they get in 2016, and the Clintons will escape well-deserved justice yet again.

Well if you want such things to stay possible and happen, stop importing people who vote for the dems 8-2.

Can you clarify if you're saying that the only acceptable immigrants are from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia, or those are the only area that you have personally known immigrants from?

To be honest, the only areas are Western Europe and some areas of North Eastern Asia and even then we need to screen the loving Hell out of them.

The idea the 3rd world has anything to offer other then leftist voters is a lie, time to reduce immigration and stop the replacement of the American nation, culture, and people.

[Irving]

You are beyond misguided. Thanks for clarifying.

[roberth]

I think that for the most part we have an entirely different version of immigrant now than we did 100 years ago. Of course there are many who want to embrace America, but many more want to bring their 3rd world shithole here and laugh while our taxes pay for it.

[Aloha_Shooter]

SG1, you need to reread what I wrote. Where are you getting your data on voting habits from? The immigrants I'm talking about (who have taken the time and trouble to follow the legitimate process for naturalization, who have escaped from totalitarian regimes, etc.) tend NOT to vote for Democrats who want to institute that kind of garbage. In fact, the vast majority of clueless idiots voting for Dems tend to be either domestically-bred morons or Western Europeans who want our more vibrant economy but the same kind of horseshit they left.

Our problems today stem from people trying to circumvent the legal immigration process, people who want the safety blanket garbage prevalent in Western Europe, or "natural born" citizens who have no concept of the value of their citizenship. I've seen far more people who understand the value of hard work and a true capitalist system in the Third World than in the First World -- but thanks for your rousing rendition of "Murica!"

[roberth]

Aloha - I want to meet the kind of immigrants you know. My entire experience with immigrants are the illegal alien or H1B.

[SG1]

Just to invoke some actual facts on what I hope are just poorly worded anti-immigrant statements, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Africa, and Asia who actually seek citizenship through the normal naturalization process are some of the best citizens I know. They know exactly what they escaped from and the citizenship test they take ought to be required in US high schools. They know and understand not only our system of government as laid out by the Founding Fathers but also the heritage that led to the Constitution. Try to get a a credible explanation of what it means to be an American or what our actual rights under the Constitution are from your average Valley Girl or boy from Lon Gisland ...

Most vehement diatribe I ever heard against Obama came from a man who immigrated from Ghana and knew Obama from his college years. Not only did the man detest Obama and the air he breathes but he understood exactly what Constitutional principles Obama has violated consistently, how Obama has distorted and distended our system of government, etc.

Right now, my top 3 are Carson, Cruz, and Rubio (listed alphabetically, not by any order of preference). Paul and Trump are the bottom of my list for GOP nominees but I would support either one of them in a general election. I'd love to see the next AG to indict Hillary for purposefully violating national security (among her other crimes) but I'm not going to hold my breath. MoveOn.org will pout and cry, the Republicans will be cautioned to be satisfied with whatever wins they get in 2016, and the Clintons will escape well-deserved justice yet again.

You are beyond misguided. Thanks for clarifying.

How is not wanting to be replaced/outvoted in my nation and having my rights voted away from me "misguided"?

You are living in a state that living proof that immigration=political changes, namely not for the better.

We have proof that mass immigration leads to more and more leftism, which means among many things means more and more infringements on our rights, namely our right to keep and bare arms and yet you do not want to prevent the oh so preventable permanent victory of the left, who will win by stacking the deck with welfare/victim voters?

I have to ask, why?

Do you value your freedoms, rights, and future more the opinions of people who will vote them away out of malice/ignorance?

[SG1]

I think that for the most part we have an entirely different version of immigrant now than we did 100 years ago. Of course there are many who want to embrace America, but many more want to bring their 3rd world shithole here and laugh while our taxes pay for it.

Thank you! people tend to forget we did not have welfare, nor multiculturalism then.We also had the Freedom of Association so if you did not want to sell, rent, or be around some groups you did not have to be, they stayed to themselves and we stayed to ourselves and tensions were lower because of that.

Their is no reason to import large numbers of people that are (if not stopped) will replace you.

[SG1]

Aloha - I want to meet the kind of immigrants you know. My entire experience with immigrants are the illegal alien or H1B.

Yes, the ones we let in to take the jobs "Americans wont do" or people are "too cheap to automate" and people doing the jobs "Americans are too dumb to do"...

Well their time in the sun is over, Bend over, Trump and Nationalism is here at last.