What am I?

[Irving]

That Zero Theory sure has moxy!

[MarkCO]

To the OP, honestly, i think you are one of the types of people that is unraveling the Republican party. Namely a social liberal and a financial conservative. I would argue that you are not a "firm supporter" of the founding principles of the constitution however. When Federal Government ignored state rights and passed several laws which you likely support, the constitution was violated and continues to be violated more and more every day. I am not being critical of your stances, they are yours and your right to have. But some of them are counter to the founding principles of the Constitution. The constitution is not sacred and must be supported in whole or nothing, but, at least today, it is still "assumed" as the law of the land even though many aspects of it are being violated.

Gay marriage is a farce. When the congress passed the "defense of marriage act", or even before when they gave married couples preferential treatment, the constitution was violated. Gay marriage is a platform that, from the legal side, seeks to place same sex couples on the same footing as traditionally married couples. Newsflash...marriage is NOT in the constitution and it is NOT enumerated as a protected right. Furthermore, the jurisdiction for marriage is at the state level, NOT the Federal level under the constitution. So passing a law to right the perceived inequality created by unjust laws and regulations is still an illegal law. We just have no politicians willing to call a spade a spade and fight for state rights to return the issue of marriage to the state level. America has tried to legislate morality and export democracy by force. Even if I agree with the "goals" the delivery method has been wrong way too often. The reaction of late has been to legislate amorality. It is all surface level bandaids refusing to deal with the root cause. You can not force a man to be good...you can only bring to bear penalties for evil which harms another person or their property. A lot of this blame lies in legalism in the American church, which when it fails to effect positive change, is angered and attempts to force change through legislation. It is a history lesson that humans refuse to learn as a majority.

Abortion is a moral issue. If you think life is valuable then you have to make a choice. Does life start when a human is conceived, has a brain wave, has a heartbeat. leaves the mothers body, or when it can fend for itself. There is no doubt that a baby inside the womb is living and is also dependant on the mothers body. But to you who think humans have no soul, then why can we not kill the guy who cuts us off in traffic? I can shoot the deer on the side of a hill and a doctor can kill a baby in the womb. Is any human who can not speak or fight for their rights okay to kill? If you believe humans have a soul, when does that soul "arrive" in a human. Yes, I believe abortion is murder and yes I believe it is wrong and yes I believe every life taken by men without moral justification grieves the creator of those lives. To force me to pay for murder, how does that jive with the Constitution? It does not!

Marijuana is a plant, like tobacco, peyote, coca. What we, as men do with it is a moral issue as well. I do not think alcohol is wrong even though it is made by men from agricultural products, but I do believe that the effects that alcohol creates in some people are wrong. I do not believe that any American should have to pay for the penalties of another's misuse or abuse of drugs or alcohol. However, the insurance and health care industries spread those costs out to me and take money out of my pocket to pay for other peoples lack of control, misuse and abuse. When the law protects me from other people's stupidity instead of forcing me to pay for it, then I think that there can be a common ground for a reasonable discussion.

Illegal immigration, yep, it is wrong. I do however think there is a need for immigration reform. I believe I am fortunate to have been born into the greatest (not perfect) country on the planet. What grieves me is the balls to the wall path to destroy America. There are people voluntarily leaving America (on both sides) because of their disdain for what it has become. The PC movement to let people hold onto their loyalty to another country while letting them into America is creating two classes of immigrants. Those who love America and vow allegiance to America as a country and want to prosper both themselves and America, and those who come only for the benefits but despise the foundation of our Country.

When it comes to 1st and 2nd amendment "rights" those have been infringed. However, America allowed and ushered in those laws which violate the constitution. Tell me how we can roll back all laws related to marriage (regardless of sexual orientation), guns, etc. and get back to the constitution and I am all ears...I just do not think it is possible in the current climate.

[ZERO THEORY]

To the OP, honestly, i think you are one of the types of people that is unraveling the Republican party. Namely a social liberal and a financial conservative. I would argue that you are not a "firm supporter" of the founding principles of the constitution however. When Federal Government ignored state rights and passed several laws which you likely support, the constitution was violated and continues to be violated more and more every day. I am not being critical of your stances, they are yours and your right to have. But some of them are counter to the founding principles of the Constitution. The constitution is not sacred and must be supported in whole or nothing, but, at least today, it is still "assumed" as the law of the land even though many aspects of it are being violated.

Gay marriage is a farce. When the congress passed the "defense of marriage act", or even before when they gave married couples preferential treatment, the constitution was violated. Gay marriage is a platform that, from the legal side, seeks to place same sex couples on the same footing as traditionally married couples. Newsflash...marriage is NOT in the constitution and it is NOT enumerated as a protected right. Furthermore, the jurisdiction for marriage is at the state level, NOT the Federal level under the constitution. So passing a law to right the perceived inequality created by unjust laws and regulations is still an illegal law. We just have no politicians willing to call a spade a spade and fight for state rights to return the issue of marriage to the state level. America has tried to legislate morality and export democracy by force. Even if I agree with the "goals" the delivery method has been wrong way too often. The reaction of late has been to legislate amorality. It is all surface level bandaids refusing to deal with the root cause. You can not force a man to be good...you can only bring to bear penalties for evil which harms another person or their property. A lot of this blame lies in legalism in the American church, which when it fails to effect positive change, is angered and attempts to force change through legislation. It is a history lesson that humans refuse to learn as a majority.

Well, let me go ahead and stop right at your first argument. Women didn't have the right to vote, given the framework of the Constitution at its inception. That was also a state affair. Would you say that we shouldn't have passed the 19th amendment? Should we undo the 15th as well? Whether or not you agree with gay marriage, arbitrary and subjective religious beliefs do not equate to fact. There is no quantitative or qualitative truth value; it's holds not data.

I would argue that saying anyone who doesn't fit your exact set of convictions is a false Republican is pretty shameful. If we all just parrot the exact same set of beliefs, we might as well be robots. I'd rather foster discussions and debate among differing viewpoints to figure out what is best for the nation, than shun potential allies in my fight to retain my rights.

[davsel]

Well, let me go ahead and stop right at your first argument. Women didn't have the right to vote, given the framework of the Constitution at its inception. That was also a state affair. Would you say that we shouldn't have passed the 19th amendment? Should we undo the 15th as well? Whether or not you agree with gay marriage, arbitrary and subjective religious beliefs do not equate to fact. There is no quantitative or qualitative truth value; it's holds not data.

I would argue that saying anyone who doesn't fit your exact set of convictions is a false Republican is pretty shameful. If we all just parrot the exact same set of beliefs, we might as well be robots. I'd rather foster discussions and debate among differing viewpoints to figure out what is best for the nation, than shun potential allies in my fight to retain my rights.

You can trace back the liberalization of our country to the passing of the 19th Amendment. Repeal it. Or go back to the idea that only property owners/tax payers can vote - must have skin in the game.
Your second paragraph sounds like a justification for "Celebrate Diversity!" Nonsense. Take a look at Europe to see where we're headed on that front.

[ZERO THEORY]

You can trace back the liberalization of our country to the passing of the 19th Amendment. Repeal it. Or go back to the idea that only property owners/tax payers can vote - must have skin in the game.
Your second paragraph sounds like a justification for "Celebrate Diversity!" Nonsense. Take a look at Europe to see where we're headed on that front.

Saying that there's more than one set of beliefs for people who want to live freely is a justification for "Celebrate Diversity!" nonsense? Interesting. Because Whigs were constituted of strict Anglicans as well as Puritans. Meanwhile, they managed to consort with outspoken secularists like Thomas Jefferson.

In his Notes on Virginia (1781), Jefferson wrote: "Millions of innocent men, women and children since the introduction of Christianity have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned. Yet have we not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth . . ." The Deist wrote: "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." (Works, 1829 ed., Vol. IV, p. 365).

It's almost like...there might be some differentiation between 319 million people. Weird. Anyway, what is the latest update on our Groupthink™ syllabus?

[jhood001]

You can trace back the liberalization of our country to the passing of the 19th Amendment. Repeal it.

Dude, seriously? We've crossed this topic before. You honestly want to remove the right of women to vote in this country?

Do you also want them to wear a burqa? Or is there some other clothing that you believe is suitable for 'them' that also hits your horny button?

Nun outfits? What does it for you?

If you want to make our women unequal, you might as well go for broke and spell out all of the other things you would like to see done to them.

Yeah, some of that which I wrote is probably unfair, but a full explanation of your beliefs would be nice... so that anyone living in the 21st century can comment, counter and properly destroy them.

[TheGrey]

You can trace back the liberalization of our country to the passing of the 19th Amendment. Repeal it. Or go back to the idea that only property owners/tax payers can vote - must have skin in the game.

Say, that's a swell idea. In fact, we could just look to ISIS as an example of the fine, fine civilization they have- mostly because they keep those females on a very short leash. If they get out of line, well, since they're lesser types and really don't have the same rights as real people, it's simply easier to punish them, get rid of them, and/or replace them. Because men have always known how to run things in the most expedient, efficient way, never having made mistakes or been the cause of any difficulty. Not like those second-class citizens. Hell, ever since Eve started causing problems, them uppity wimmin have been just sticking their noses into business that they shouldn't be. They can't comprehend such complex stuff as politics; their ideas are all different and that's bad, right? Their little button heads just can't wrap around things like that. Imagine how much money would be saved if resources weren't wasted on them! They think because they have education, that their opinions actually matter! Can you believe it? Just because they make up about half the population, have made just as many sacrifices as the men in founding this country, and have been a part of life from the beginning...well, we all now they're just a weird combination of adults with the comprehensive capabilities of a child. They really don't deserve the freedoms. It hasn't even been 100 years that they've had the right. I'm sure they won't miss that teeny little amendment.

Yeah...just repeal it. Should be simple enough.

[davsel]

Excellent Post!

Say, that's a swell idea. In fact, we could just look to ISIS as an example of the fine, fine civilization they have- mostly because they keep those females on a very short leash. If they get out of line, well, since they're lesser types and really don't have the same rights as real people, it's simply easier to punish them, get rid of them, and/or replace them. Because men have always known how to run things in the most expedient, efficient way, never having made mistakes or been the cause of any difficulty. Not like those second-class citizens. Hell, ever since Eve started causing problems, them uppity wimmin have been just sticking their noses into business that they shouldn't be. They can't comprehend such complex stuff as politics; their ideas are all different and that's bad, right? Their little button heads just can't wrap around things like that. Imagine how much money would be saved if resources weren't wasted on them! They think because they have education, that their opinions actually matter! Can you believe it? Just because they make up about half the population, have made just as many sacrifices as the men in founding this country, and have been a part of life from the beginning...well, we all now they're just a weird combination of adults with the comprehensive capabilities of a child. They really don't deserve the freedoms. It hasn't even been 100 years that they've had the right. I'm sure they won't miss that teeny little amendment.

Yeah...just repeal it. Should be simple enough.

Men and women are different. Always have been, and always will be.
Men and women are better at different things.
That is the way it was designed and intended - across the animal kingdom if you want to take religion completely out of it.
Feminism has turned these differences on their head and our society as a whole has suffered because of it.
Let women be women with all that they excel at, and let men do what men do best.
It has now gone so far out of whack that you can pick and choose what gender you want to be? Complete nonsense.
Our civilization will pay the price for such stupidity.

Just to be clear, musloids don't treat women properly in any way. Islam is an abomination to civilization.

[asmo]

To the OP, honestly, i think you are one of the types of people that is unraveling the Republican party. Namely a social liberal and a financial conservative. I would argue that you are not a "firm supporter" of the founding principles of the constitution however. When Federal Government ignored state rights and passed several laws which you likely support, the constitution was violated and continues to be violated more and more every day. I am not being critical of your stances, they are yours and your right to have. But some of them are counter to the founding principles of the Constitution. The constitution is not sacred and must be supported in whole or nothing, but, at least today, it is still "assumed" as the law of the land even though many aspects of it are being violated.

No True Scotsman! One... love.

Gay marriage is a farce. When the congress passed the "defense of marriage act", or even before when they gave married couples preferential treatment, the constitution was violated. Gay marriage is a platform that, from the legal side, seeks to place same sex couples on the same footing as traditionally married couples. Newsflash...marriage is NOT in the constitution and it is NOT enumerated as a protected right. Furthermore, the jurisdiction for marriage is at the state level, NOT the Federal level under the constitution. So passing a law to right the perceived inequality created by unjust laws and regulations is still an illegal law. We just have no politicians willing to call a spade a spade and fight for state rights to return the issue of marriage to the state level. America has tried to legislate morality and export democracy by force. Even if I agree with the "goals" the delivery method has been wrong way too often. The reaction of late has been to legislate amorality. It is all surface level bandaids refusing to deal with the root cause. You can not force a man to be good...you can only bring to bear penalties for evil which harms another person or their property. A lot of this blame lies in legalism in the American church, which when it fails to effect positive change, is angered and attempts to force change through legislation. It is a history lesson that humans refuse to learn as a majority.

Argument from Consequences! Two... love.

Abortion is a moral issue. If you think life is valuable then you have to make a choice. Does life start when a human is conceived, has a brain wave, has a heartbeat. leaves the mothers body, or when it can fend for itself. There is no doubt that a baby inside the womb is living and is also dependant on the mothers body. But to you who think humans have no soul, then why can we not kill the guy who cuts us off in traffic? I can shoot the deer on the side of a hill and a doctor can kill a baby in the womb. Is any human who can not speak or fight for their rights okay to kill? If you believe humans have a soul, when does that soul "arrive" in a human. Yes, I believe abortion is murder and yes I believe it is wrong and yes I believe every life taken by men without moral justification grieves the creator of those lives. To force me to pay for murder, how does that jive with the Constitution? It does not!

Marijuana is a plant, like tobacco, peyote, coca. What we, as men do with it is a moral issue as well. I do not think alcohol is wrong even though it is made by men from agricultural products, but I do believe that the effects that alcohol creates in some people are wrong. I do not believe that any American should have to pay for the penalties of another's misuse or abuse of drugs or alcohol. However, the insurance and health care industries spread those costs out to me and take money out of my pocket to pay for other peoples lack of control, misuse and abuse. When the law protects me from other people's stupidity instead of forcing me to pay for it, then I think that there can be a common ground for a reasonable discussion.

Illegal immigration, yep, it is wrong. I do however think there is a need for immigration reform. I believe I am fortunate to have been born into the greatest (not perfect) country on the planet. What grieves me is the balls to the wall path to destroy America. There are people voluntarily leaving America (on both sides) because of their disdain for what it has become. The PC movement to let people hold onto their loyalty to another country while letting them into America is creating two classes of immigrants. Those who love America and vow allegiance to America as a country and want to prosper both themselves and America, and those who come only for the benefits but despise the foundation of our Country.

Non sequitur... love and game.

[DavieD55]

Excellent post!

To the OP, honestly, i think you are one of the types of people that is unraveling the Republican party. Namely a social liberal and a financial conservative. I would argue that you are not a "firm supporter" of the founding principles of the constitution however. When Federal Government ignored state rights and passed several laws which you likely support, the constitution was violated and continues to be violated more and more every day. I am not being critical of your stances, they are yours and your right to have. But some of them are counter to the founding principles of the Constitution. The constitution is not sacred and must be supported in whole or nothing, but, at least today, it is still "assumed" as the law of the land even though many aspects of it are being violated.

Gay marriage is a farce. When the congress passed the "defense of marriage act", or even before when they gave married couples preferential treatment, the constitution was violated. Gay marriage is a platform that, from the legal side, seeks to place same sex couples on the same footing as traditionally married couples. Newsflash...marriage is NOT in the constitution and it is NOT enumerated as a protected right. Furthermore, the jurisdiction for marriage is at the state level, NOT the Federal level under the constitution. So passing a law to right the perceived inequality created by unjust laws and regulations is still an illegal law. We just have no politicians willing to call a spade a spade and fight for state rights to return the issue of marriage to the state level. America has tried to legislate morality and export democracy by force. Even if I agree with the "goals" the delivery method has been wrong way too often. The reaction of late has been to legislate amorality. It is all surface level bandaids refusing to deal with the root cause. You can not force a man to be good...you can only bring to bear penalties for evil which harms another person or their property. A lot of this blame lies in legalism in the American church, which when it fails to effect positive change, is angered and attempts to force change through legislation. It is a history lesson that humans refuse to learn as a majority.

Abortion is a moral issue. If you think life is valuable then you have to make a choice. Does life start when a human is conceived, has a brain wave, has a heartbeat. leaves the mothers body, or when it can fend for itself. There is no doubt that a baby inside the womb is living and is also dependant on the mothers body. But to you who think humans have no soul, then why can we not kill the guy who cuts us off in traffic? I can shoot the deer on the side of a hill and a doctor can kill a baby in the womb. Is any human who can not speak or fight for their rights okay to kill? If you believe humans have a soul, when does that soul "arrive" in a human. Yes, I believe abortion is murder and yes I believe it is wrong and yes I believe every life taken by men without moral justification grieves the creator of those lives. To force me to pay for murder, how does that jive with the Constitution? It does not!

Marijuana is a plant, like tobacco, peyote, coca. What we, as men do with it is a moral issue as well. I do not think alcohol is wrong even though it is made by men from agricultural products, but I do believe that the effects that alcohol creates in some people are wrong. I do not believe that any American should have to pay for the penalties of another's misuse or abuse of drugs or alcohol. However, the insurance and health care industries spread those costs out to me and take money out of my pocket to pay for other peoples lack of control, misuse and abuse. When the law protects me from other people's stupidity instead of forcing me to pay for it, then I think that there can be a common ground for a reasonable discussion.

Illegal immigration, yep, it is wrong. I do however think there is a need for immigration reform. I believe I am fortunate to have been born into the greatest (not perfect) country on the planet. What grieves me is the balls to the wall path to destroy America. There are people voluntarily leaving America (on both sides) because of their disdain for what it has become. The PC movement to let people hold onto their loyalty to another country while letting them into America is creating two classes of immigrants. Those who love America and vow allegiance to America as a country and want to prosper both themselves and America, and those who come only for the benefits but despise the foundation of our Country.

When it comes to 1st and 2nd amendment "rights" those have been infringed. However, America allowed and ushered in those laws which violate the constitution. Tell me how we can roll back all laws related to marriage (regardless of sexual orientation), guns, etc. and get back to the constitution and I am all ears...I just do not think it is possible in the current climate.