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To the OP, honestly, i think you are one of the types of people that is unraveling the Republican party. Namely a social liberal and a financial conservative. I would argue that you are not a "firm supporter" of the founding principles of the constitution however. When Federal Government ignored state rights and passed several laws which you likely support, the constitution was violated and continues to be violated more and more every day. I am not being critical of your stances, they are yours and your right to have. But some of them are counter to the founding principles of the Constitution. The constitution is not sacred and must be supported in whole or nothing, but, at least today, it is still "assumed" as the law of the land even though many aspects of it are being violated.
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Gay marriage is a farce. When the congress passed the "defense of marriage act", or even before when they gave married couples preferential treatment, the constitution was violated. Gay marriage is a platform that, from the legal side, seeks to place same sex couples on the same footing as traditionally married couples. Newsflash...marriage is NOT in the constitution and it is NOT enumerated as a protected right. Furthermore, the jurisdiction for marriage is at the state level, NOT the Federal level under the constitution. So passing a law to right the perceived inequality created by unjust laws and regulations is still an illegal law. We just have no politicians willing to call a spade a spade and fight for state rights to return the issue of marriage to the state level. America has tried to legislate morality and export democracy by force. Even if I agree with the "goals" the delivery method has been wrong way too often. The reaction of late has been to legislate amorality. It is all surface level bandaids refusing to deal with the root cause. You can not force a man to be good...you can only bring to bear penalties for evil which harms another person or their property. A lot of this blame lies in legalism in the American church, which when it fails to effect positive change, is angered and attempts to force change through legislation. It is a history lesson that humans refuse to learn as a majority.
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Abortion is a moral issue. If you think life is valuable then you have to make a choice. Does life start when a human is conceived, has a brain wave, has a heartbeat. leaves the mothers body, or when it can fend for itself. There is no doubt that a baby inside the womb is living and is also dependant on the mothers body. But to you who think humans have no soul, then why can we not kill the guy who cuts us off in traffic? I can shoot the deer on the side of a hill and a doctor can kill a baby in the womb. Is any human who can not speak or fight for their rights okay to kill? If you believe humans have a soul, when does that soul "arrive" in a human. Yes, I believe abortion is murder and yes I believe it is wrong and yes I believe every life taken by men without moral justification grieves the creator of those lives. To force me to pay for murder, how does that jive with the Constitution? It does not!

Marijuana is a plant, like tobacco, peyote, coca. What we, as men do with it is a moral issue as well. I do not think alcohol is wrong even though it is made by men from agricultural products, but I do believe that the effects that alcohol creates in some people are wrong. I do not believe that any American should have to pay for the penalties of another's misuse or abuse of drugs or alcohol. However, the insurance and health care industries spread those costs out to me and take money out of my pocket to pay for other peoples lack of control, misuse and abuse. When the law protects me from other people's stupidity instead of forcing me to pay for it, then I think that there can be a common ground for a reasonable discussion.

Illegal immigration, yep, it is wrong. I do however think there is a need for immigration reform. I believe I am fortunate to have been born into the greatest (not perfect) country on the planet. What grieves me is the balls to the wall path to destroy America. There are people voluntarily leaving America (on both sides) because of their disdain for what it has become. The PC movement to let people hold onto their loyalty to another country while letting them into America is creating two classes of immigrants. Those who love America and vow allegiance to America as a country and want to prosper both themselves and America, and those who come only for the benefits but despise the foundation of our Country.
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