Like Gunner said, I don't know how we ever killed anything wearing carhart and jeans. But I can also say that I was always one to bash Sitka and other brands for their high prices but after 14 days in Alaska hunting for Dall sheep I can say that the Sitka gear that I bought was worth every penny. UA is starting to make some pretty good gear, and as far as the camo pattern goes, all your trying to do is break up your solid silhouette into a more obscured pattern, that's why mossy oak works just as well as prairie ghost and Sitka Optifade.