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    I'm not sure how to feel about this one. Thoughts? Miss Myers doesn't know what an assault rifle is, and the Brady Campaign people should really find something worth while to do with their lives.....or perhaps why they want an unarmed socialized country.....

    Taken from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/...rotesters_guns

    By AMANDA LEE MYERS and TERRY TANG, Associated Press Writers – Mon Aug 17, 6:22 pm ET

    PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

    Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.
    Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

    The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

    Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who monitored the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.
    "Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

    Last week, during Obama's health care town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a sign reading "It is time to water the tree of liberty" stood outside with a pistol strapped to his leg.

    "It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."

    Police asked the man to move away from school property, but he was not arrested.

    Fred Solop, a Northern Arizona University political scientist, said the incidents in New Hampshire and Arizona could signal the beginning of a disturbing trend.

    "When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

    He said he's never heard of someone bringing an assault weapon near a presidential event. "The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation," he said.

    Phoenix was Obama's last stop on a four-day tour of western states, including Montana and Colorado.

    Authorities in Montana said they received no reports of anyone carrying firearms during Obama's health care town hall near Bozeman on Friday.

    About 1,000 people both for and against Obama converged at a protest area near the Gallatin Field Airport hangar where the event took place. One person accused of disorderly conduct was detained and released, according to the Gallatin Airport Authority.

    Heather Benjamin of Denver's Mesa County sheriff's department, the lead agency during Obama's visit there, said no one was arrested.

    Arizona is an "open-carry" state, which means anyone legally allowed to have a firearm can carry it in public as long as it's visible. Only someone carrying a concealed weapon is required to have a permit.

    Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.

    "To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

    He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.

    Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.

    "In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."

    Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls for comment.
    "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." - Col. Jeff Cooper

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    they should be allowed to exercise their rights. just because the POTUS shows up doesn't mean those rights disappear.
    I am glad the police did the right thing.

    no one got hurt, no one got arrested. I don't see any big deal.
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    I agree they should be allowed to exercise their rights, and I'm glad they did. Unfortunately I read and posted the article before I saw the video of the gentleman. The only thing that worries me is if it had been an unreasonable person out for blood, in which it would have brought very negative attention to our community. I'm glad the man was very level headed and confident.
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    If he had been an unreasonable person who was out for blood, he certainly would not have open carried his weapon.

    He was trying to make a statement, and he was successful.

    MSNBC announcers and 'correspondents' were virtually crapping their pants while the 'live' video of this young man was going out on their network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfenster View Post
    If he had been an unreasonable person who was out for blood, he certainly would not have open carried his weapon.
    I know, he may have used it.
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    im all for the guys right to carry, but i don't think this was good judgement. these meetings have been a little heated and carrying weapons to a possibly volatile meeting might not be good judgement in my opinion. otherwise, im all for the guys right to carry wherever he wants, no matter if the president is around or not.

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    Good for this guy and all of the rest who were exercising their rights and staying within the law of the land!

    Some times you all confuse the hell out of me. You either have the right and can exercise it or you're just a sheep in a sheepdog mask. There is nothing else here. The folks on the other side of our 2A debates want you to think that it isn't "appropriate" to exercise your rights, hey, if you want to flounder over "where and when is it appropriate" within the context of this situation.. well enjoy that, I'll have no issue reminding you that you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadShot View Post
    You either have the right and can exercise it or you're just a sheep in a sheepdog mask. There is nothing else here. The folks on the other side of our 2A debates want you to think that it isn't "appropriate" to exercise your rights, hey, if you want to flounder over "where and when is it appropriate" within the context of this situation.. well enjoy that, I'll have no issue reminding you that you're wrong.
    I'm not sure I agree, I think you are confusing "rights" with "common sense". Just because you have the first amendment right to display swastikas and KKK hoods outside an NAACP convention doesn't mean it's a good idea. Here, just because the guy has a second amendment right to carry openly doesn't mean it's a good idea. I am worried this is the kind of thing that will whip up public frenzy and get Assault Weapon Ban II going. California lost open carry of loaded guns that way. Some people forget that Ronald Reagan as governor signed a ban in California because the Black Panthers were doing it in Oakland and WATS.

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    I think we have a double edged sword here. On one hand I think it's awesome to be so brazen as to pack your AR15 to a presidential speech, nothing says F-U more than that. They have their 2nd amendment rights on display, and that is very cool.

    On the other hand I see far more negatives to doing this:
    • The left media will label these folks as 'gun nuts', just another public image of rednecks and their weapons (or rednecks clinging to their religion and guns, that was it...)
    • Because of how much people SO over-react to issues, this could lead to a new gun control law that says that no weapons are allowed within 600 yards of the president (or some such thing) and make these types of folks move too far away to be noticed. That's a double whammy, because it's another gun control law and another nail in the coffin
    • We could find that places of public venue, such as this was, may invoke private rules about banning guns - yet one more place we cannot carry a weapon
    • This could be one huge "see I told you so" that prompts Obooboo, the biggest gun hater elected, to say "yup, you're right, it's time to put gun control on the menu since this is front and center in American's minds"
    Of course none of this may happen, but it's just some of the things that COULD happen with such an out-of-touch left looking on. One exception, however, might be if OB was talking about gun control, then the damage is done and you might as well show up in support of no more bans (but again, that could backfire even worse). Taking guns to a health care debate.....I just don't know.
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