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    Has any one seen this before?



    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

    Concerning the Blair-Holt proposed legislation: Senate Bill SB-2099 introduced by Bobby Rush (D-Ill) it will require us to put on our 2009
    1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.

    This bill was introduced on Feb.. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.

    This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all.

    This is just another "sneak attack" by the Obama administration to slowly chip away our "Freedom Of Choice" in our Great Country.

    If you have any doubt on this proposed amendment that is on the U.S. Senate homepage, check it out at: http://www.senategov/ In checking with Snopes & TruthorFiction, both list this as the TRUTH

    IF you know who to call; I strongly suggest you do so. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

    Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it
    passes, gun owners will become criminals if they don*t fully comply. It
    has started. It is very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR
    45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearms Licensing
    & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

    Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the Obama
    Administration is trying to fly it under the radar. To find out about
    this - go to any government web site and type in HR 45.org or Google HR
    45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will
    get all the information on these sites

    Basically this would make it illegal for ANYONE to own a firearm - any
    rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless it is registered (the criminals
    must be jumping with joy, hoping this bill will pass) You are
    fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver*s License -You supply your
    Social Security number -You will submit to a physical & mental
    evaluation at any time of their choosing - Each update or change or
    ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
    - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and
    are subject up to a year in jail.

    There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a
    child-access provision. Most gun owners will go along with this par of
    the bill which states that your gun must be locked and inaccessible to
    any child under 18. - What they don't go along wit is that they, the
    police would have the right to come into your home unannounced anytime
    to check that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to
    children. The punishment for breaking this law is a fine and up to 5 yrs
    in prison.

    If you think this is a joke, go to Snopes, Truthor Fiction or to the
    government website and take your pick of many options to read this. It
    is long and lengthy to tire or confuse the reader but more and more
    people are becoming aware of this and reading it thru to the end.

    This is just Obama's "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns
    and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away
    a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone
    realizes it.


    http://thomas..loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd bill=h111-45





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    This has been a rumor running around the net for years. Nothing to it.

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    ... "for years"...???


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    Since Carl Marx put pen to paper. Years!!

    This is as bad as it gets until the next step of total ban. And since they have a nice list of guns it would make it easier.

    There is something that bothers me. If they require you to put the guns you own on your taxes then they can't report it to other agency's. That is what makes reporting some things on your taxes ok with them because they only want you to pay the taxes on "items" and don't judge you for having them. Like machine guns, if you pay the tax on them they are legal. Which is the only reason you can't pick up a nice Glock 18 or FN P90 cause they don't take the tax on them anymore. But I digress.
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    Last weekend NRA/ILA dropped out a note about SB2099 being a rumor that's been circulating in one form or another for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot View Post
    HR 45 is more dead than a forgotten hamburger left on a grill overnight. Or Michael Moore after trying to run a quarter of a mile. Just cause something is introduced doesn't mean it has a hope in hell of passing.

    I lol'd having left burgers on the grill!

    Yeah what you write is true. At this point it is a waste of time and energy getting worked up over this bill. However, there is legislation that is going forward that could use some citizen attention long before wasting a second worrying about H.R.45.

    for example:

    Senators Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) introduced S. 941 -- the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Reform and Firearms Modernization Act"
    While the house regularly introduces and sometimes passes such language a similar bill has never before been introduced in the Senate. If you wish to be energized by legislation then get motivated to call your senator and ask them to sponsor some 2nd amendment friendly stuff like this.

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    H.R. 45 is Draconian Gun Control

    What H.R. 45 Does

    The legislation has three main components.
    1. Increasing requirements for firearms purchases.
    2. Creating a national firearms registry overseen by the Federal Government.
    3. Stiffen penalties for bookkeeping errors related to the Federal Firearms Database formed in section 2.
    To purchase a firearm a person would be required to pass a written firearms examination, release all health records -- including mental heath records -- to the Attorney General's office, and submit to a two-day waiting period, as well as pay an "appropriate" fee of $25 per firearm.

    Additionally, every firearm sale would be recorded in a database, which would track the serial number, make, model and identity of the owner. The legislation would also make all private sales of firearms illegal, and a felony offense.

    In addition to these regulations, the legislation includes excessive regulations and penalties for bureaucratic missteps from simple failures to report address changes to failure to report stolen weapons.

    Provisions of H.R. 45 include:

    Requires passing a written examination to purchase a firearm.

    Releases medical records -- including confidential mental health records -- to the Attorney General for Government review.

    Requires a two-day waiting period on all firearms purchases.

    Institutes a fee of $25 or more on all firearm purchases.

    Creates a national database with all firearms and firearms owners registered by serial number with the Federal Government.

    A Federal ban on all private firearms sales.

    Increases in penalties for clerical errors related to this national firearms registry.

    You can read the full text of the bill here. Click here to sign the petition against H.R. 45!
    Who's sponsoring H.R. 45

    H.R. 45 -- President Obama's National Gun Registry and Citizen Disarmament Act -- was written by Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush (D). It currently has no cosponsors. But will it pass Congress?
    Congressman Rush's bill an outrageous destruction of Constitutional Rights, but it's the compromises that are truly dangerous


    Though far-left gun-haters routinely sponsor pie-in-the-sky legislation (anyone remember the days of Sen. Moynihan's annual 1000% tax on ammo?), H.R. 45 has set new lows for the depths to which hoplophobes will sink.

    Is H.R. 45 dangerous? Yes. But is it likely to pass? No.... it's too far-reaching.

    What is likely to pass, though, is a compromise, a deal cut with the gun-grabbers and the group that ostensibly represents gun owners, the NRA.

    Think that can't happen? Rewind to the summer of 2007, when arch gun-hater Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy sat down with NRA board member Congressman John Dingell to craft a deal to expand Brady Checks into new realms of mental health records. A few months later, H.R. 2640 passed...with the approval of the NRA and McCarthy.

    Congressman Rush's gun control ideas are much, much more dangerous as amendments to legislation that is already advancing.

    Remember the Brady Bill? It didn't pass as a stand-alone bill. It passed as an amendment.

    Even more frightening was that it passed with the approval of the NRA (click here for that full story)

    The same is true of the Lautenberg Domestic Abuse ban, the Assault Weapons ban, 1986 McClure-Volkmer (which bans the manufacture of transferable machine guns), the 1968 Gun Control Act, and numerous other examples (especially if you look at state legislation).
    Yes, we're watching H.R. 45. But beware the slight of hand -- it's often more dangerous.

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    RRD3:
    Thanks for a definitive answer...

    much obliged....


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    No Problem.

    Anytime

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    I had a guy @ work raising a storm about SB-2099 yesterday. I looked all over for it (including the Libary of Congress @ http://thomas.loc.gov/ and could only find referenced to HB45 (as has already been mentioned above). I have no current concerns over a Senate Bill but I'm not ready to prep a tombstone for HB45 yet. As long as that Bill still exists - even if it is stuck in Committee, it is still a threat and can be resurrected under the cover of darkness at any time. I hope out elected officials will keep in mind that it would be political suicide to do that, but...
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