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    im all for the guys right to carry, but i don't think this was good judgement. these meetings have been a little heated and carrying weapons to a possibly volatile meeting might not be good judgement in my opinion. otherwise, im all for the guys right to carry wherever he wants, no matter if the president is around or not.

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    Good for this guy and all of the rest who were exercising their rights and staying within the law of the land!

    Some times you all confuse the hell out of me. You either have the right and can exercise it or you're just a sheep in a sheepdog mask. There is nothing else here. The folks on the other side of our 2A debates want you to think that it isn't "appropriate" to exercise your rights, hey, if you want to flounder over "where and when is it appropriate" within the context of this situation.. well enjoy that, I'll have no issue reminding you that you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadShot View Post
    You either have the right and can exercise it or you're just a sheep in a sheepdog mask. There is nothing else here. The folks on the other side of our 2A debates want you to think that it isn't "appropriate" to exercise your rights, hey, if you want to flounder over "where and when is it appropriate" within the context of this situation.. well enjoy that, I'll have no issue reminding you that you're wrong.
    I'm not sure I agree, I think you are confusing "rights" with "common sense". Just because you have the first amendment right to display swastikas and KKK hoods outside an NAACP convention doesn't mean it's a good idea. Here, just because the guy has a second amendment right to carry openly doesn't mean it's a good idea. I am worried this is the kind of thing that will whip up public frenzy and get Assault Weapon Ban II going. California lost open carry of loaded guns that way. Some people forget that Ronald Reagan as governor signed a ban in California because the Black Panthers were doing it in Oakland and WATS.

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    I think we have a double edged sword here. On one hand I think it's awesome to be so brazen as to pack your AR15 to a presidential speech, nothing says F-U more than that. They have their 2nd amendment rights on display, and that is very cool.

    On the other hand I see far more negatives to doing this:
    • The left media will label these folks as 'gun nuts', just another public image of rednecks and their weapons (or rednecks clinging to their religion and guns, that was it...)
    • Because of how much people SO over-react to issues, this could lead to a new gun control law that says that no weapons are allowed within 600 yards of the president (or some such thing) and make these types of folks move too far away to be noticed. That's a double whammy, because it's another gun control law and another nail in the coffin
    • We could find that places of public venue, such as this was, may invoke private rules about banning guns - yet one more place we cannot carry a weapon
    • This could be one huge "see I told you so" that prompts Obooboo, the biggest gun hater elected, to say "yup, you're right, it's time to put gun control on the menu since this is front and center in American's minds"
    Of course none of this may happen, but it's just some of the things that COULD happen with such an out-of-touch left looking on. One exception, however, might be if OB was talking about gun control, then the damage is done and you might as well show up in support of no more bans (but again, that could backfire even worse). Taking guns to a health care debate.....I just don't know.
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    I think the tides are starting to turn. My fiance was watching bravo last night and the real housewives of atlanta came on. they had them going to the shooting range. pretty damn cool.
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    Here's the CNN version of the article... a little different. (not in a bad way)
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/...protest.rifle/

    I think it's a great show of defiance. It shows the world that we are here, we are trained, and we are ready to rebel against these liberty-hating policies.

    On the other hand, like others have stated, we must be very careful about how and when we do this.. It is very unfortunate that this is a time when we are AFRAID to open carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eow View Post
    .....I think you are confusing "rights" with "common sense"........
    That sounds a lot like the argument the Brady Bunch uses. It isn't confusing at all. A right is God-given. Common sense is more of a gift. Take the Brady campaign, for example: "It's not a ban, it's common sense gun laws". They have the 'right' to free speech, but a noticeable lack of common sense.
    Last edited by xr2; 08-18-2009 at 09:55.

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    I wish we had the gun laws Switzerland has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRD3 View Post
    I wish we had the gun laws Switzerland has.

    I wish we didn't have gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganMilitia View Post
    I wish we didn't have gun laws.
    I agree. If I had the choice between total ban and no laws whatsoever, I'd take no laws.
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