Obama Townhall Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

[jim02]

Obama Townhall for Health Care Saturday in Grand Junction, Colo

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124994653098120945.html

Chicken shit is having 2 of the 3, in out of the way locations, Grand Junction and Bozeman.
I hope we got some people here that can make it.

[sniper7]

hopefully people ream his ass. i wish he would understand that when a shit ton of people (waaayyy over 50%) do not want this to drop it.
the only people that want this are the lazy liberal fucks who want something for nothing and the people living on welfare.

I pay for my medical and my fiance pays for medical. I don't see why people can't pay for their own shit instead of wanting the government to take care of it for them in the form of taxes.

[theGinsue]

I'm with you all on this. The media is reporting that while attendees are violent and agressive (quotes from the media) at events hosted by members of Congress, so far folks have been "very respectful" to him. It would be great to have such a different result in GJ that even the lib media would have to report a new outcome. Sadly, from my experience in attending events like this, those with dissenting opinions are filtered out from being able to attend to the greatest extent possible.

During the election I recall folks in Grand Junction from this site saying that the city has shown a serious turn towards Liberalism. I hope those folks who have never fallen under his spell, and those who've finally come out of his hypnotic trance will show in numbers that he, and the lib media, can't ignore. Surely lib power players such a Pelosi will continue to try to sell to the nation that all of the hoopla against this "reform" is nothing more than choreographed "astroturf" protests - organized by the GOP. They don't want those poorly informed to realize that the protests represent a small sample of the true national public opinion on this topic - the people just don't want this!

As far as this "reform" goes... I agree with the precept that fighting a horrible disease shouldn't bankrupt a family, but this is definitely NOT the way to correct the problem. To take from those who have - who were willing to work for it and sacrifice some of the nice-ities and extra dinners out so they can afford healthcare - and just hand it over to those who are unwilling to work or sacrifice is nothing short of government enforced stealing. How about reforming the healthcare insurance industry who take your faithfully paid premiums to simply deny essential care out of hand (research Actuarial Tables and view the movie The Rainmaker for examples of how this happens every day).

The proponents are selling this "reform" under the guise of "availability to healthcare for all". We've had a few of our national elected officials tell us the true nature of thier "reform" - people needing care will have to accept their circumstances and "sacrifice". What we aren't being told is that the only level of care you'll get is for the common cold and other minor illnesses/injuries. Much of the "care" that is currently "available" will have to become unavailable due to the cost of such care (research examples of how this occured in Canada and the U.K.).

We've heard that the Fed's are considering imposing "fat taxes" on things like soda and fast food. How long before the government looks at your lifestyle and sees that you enjoy a couple of sodas/day and a Big Mac once a week and translates that to the cause of your excess weight or high blood pressure and decides that you don't get "care" because you've made intentional bad health choices? Sure, this sounds tin-foil hat preposterous but who would have thought it possible 5 years ago that 1 man could triple our national debt in the first 5 months of his presidency?

Personally I'd prefer the government quit meddling in affairs that relate to my health - I honestly believe my chances of survival will be much better that way!

[Jer]

Who's down for a car pool road trip from the Northern area?

[jake]

I'm with you all on this. The media is reporting that while attendees are violent and agressive (quotes from the media) at events hosted by members of Congress,

Just to clarify a couple of things... are you implying that the media is spinning what is going on at these meetings to make it sound like people are being violent and aggressive? Because I have been watching some of the footage and people ARE being violent and aggressive at these meetings.

Much of the "care" that is currently "available" will have to become unavailable due to the cost of such care (research examples of how this occured in Canada and the U.K.).

And yet health care in the UK still manages to be ranked higher than that here. I mean I am aware, thanks to that Investor's Business Daily editorial, that if Stephen Hawking was born in the UK he wouldn't have survived because the bureaucracy would have deemed his life not worth prolonging, but I am also aware that a lot of the unfavourable comparisons that are floating around are based on out of date data.

[Jer]

I'm in for tickets.

[Elhuero]

most americans support and are eager for obama's med plans.

it's a vast right wing conspiracy that's planting fake troublemakers in the audiences.

such low tactics. liberals and democrats have never had to organize demonstrations, have always respected the speakers at the podium, and have never, ever used plants in the audience.

heh

[jim02]

You only need a ticket to get in, those are filtered and if you make it your questions may need to be approved.
You do not need a ticket to excerise your 1st rights, if you have missed out latly the crowds have been showing up outside the healtcare events and evens Obama's one in NH the other day.

Yes Obama himself will be there.

As for the crock about the UK healthcarre, i sure hope you were joking, if not put down the koolaid and stop watching that fat lards movies.
Go try it out some time, oh and bring your wallet thay take cash. Be prepared to wait some time to get in for actual treatment.
Dont belive me, go talk to some people that imigrated to the USA form the UK and ask how top notch it is.
Go watch the PBS special on world healthcare, they compare the top healthcare around the world, if after that you still think the UK is top notch, you must have had the tv on mute. The UK healthcare is falling apart.

[tmckay2]

britain, like canada, has great healthcase if youre healthy. if you get stage 3 cancer, its not so great. some things in this country are extremely expensive health care wise, but what do you expect, its health care! any idea how much it costs to develop a simple cholesterol lowering drug? its pretty mind blowing. luckily in america we are always on the cutting edge of medical technology. if you need an expensive surgery and can't afford it, at least in this country you can raise the funds and get support from others. while it may be expensive, there are options, thats the beauty. in canada and britain, if they say no, you are 100% screwed. not a thing you can do. (well, canadians can come here and pay cash, but i don't think that counts because thats just another perk of our system). our health care needs to be reformed, make no mistake about it. but there are small changes that can be made that could make a big difference. if nothing else, why not try it first before ramming a hugely expensive change down our throats before anyone can even read the thing? its the same thing with the stimulus, why not focus the money and energy on specific things instead of trying to get it fixed with the shotgun effect. its like if youre car wasn't running properly and instead of taking the time to find out what it is and be efficient, you went out and bought a new car. it makes no sense

[jake]

As for the crock about the UK healthcarre, i sure hope you were joking, if not put down the koolaid and stop watching that fat lards movies.
Go try it out some time, oh and bring your wallet thay take cash. Be prepared to wait some time to get in for actual treatment.
Dont belive me, go talk to some people that imigrated to the USA form the UK and ask how top notch it is.
Go watch the PBS special on world healthcare, they compare the top healthcare around the world, if after that you still think the UK is top notch, you must have had the tv on mute. The UK healthcare is falling apart.

I'm actually from the UK, so I have tried out the NHS many times and the most I have ever had to pay for anything was about $10 for a prescription (this is the standard rate for anyone over 18, employed, and under pensionable age, regardless of the amount or type of medication you are getting). I would love to understand why when I am referring to both personal experience and facts to back up my claims, and you're using hyperbolic scare emails to back up yours, I'm the one who has drunk the koolaid.

There is no perfect healthcare system out there, and I am not going to deny that the NHS has its problems, but almost all of the 'information' that I have read about the British healthcare system recently has been completely bogus.

Ah, I just realised what you meant with your 'fat lard' comment. I haven't seen Sicko. I saw Bowling for Columbine when I was still living in the UK, and I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 when I lived in Florida, but I find him to be a little too strident even for me, and I would consider myself a liberal.