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    Gives a sh!t; pretends he doesn't HoneyBadger's Avatar
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    Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?
    Do you really want Cruz? Not stumping for Trump, but Cruz is caustic as well. Too early to choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?
    If he is in fact ineligible, it doesn't matter whether or not I or anyone else wants him.
    It is not a matter of how good a job he could do as POTUS. If you believe in defending the Constitution, ineligible means ineligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crays View Post
    Do you really want Cruz? Not stumping for Trump, but Cruz is caustic as well. Too early to choose.

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    In a false dichotomy of the two, I would prefer Cruz. I think Cruz is a better leader, better politician, and consistently represents my values better than Trump. I think Cruz would represent America internationally far better than Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    If he is in fact ineligible, it doesn't matter whether or not I or anyone else wants him.
    It is not a matter of how good a job he could do as POTUS. If you believe in defending the Constitution, ineligible means ineligible.
    I'm not at all conflicted about this because I believe that he is eligible.
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    My wife was born in Jakarta. Her father is Texan, and her mother is Austrian, making her a citizen of both the US and the EU from birth; she has two legitimate passports. You can play the semantics game if you want about what "natural born" means, but the way it has been interpreted by the federal government since the First Congress means Cruz is eligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufelhund View Post
    My wife was born in Jakarta. Her father is Texan, and her mother is Austrian, making her a citizen of both the US and the EU from birth; she has two legitimate passports. You can play the semantics game if you want about what "natural born" means, but the way it has been interpreted by the federal government since the First Congress means Cruz is eligible.
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    Fact - Cruz is eligible.

    Does not matter what anyone thinks, wishes, or opines.

    Fact - Cruz is eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Fact - Cruz is eligible.

    Does not matter what anyone thinks, wishes, or opines.

    Fact - Cruz is eligible.
    Personally, I wish Cruz was eligible.

    Cruz held a dual citizenship with Canada and the US up until May 14 2014.
    Ensuring the elected official to the highest office in the US does not have any split allegiances is precisely why the "Natural Born Citizen" clause exists.
    "Natural Born" and "Naturalized" are two different classes of US citizenship. They share all the same rights and privileges, EXCEPT for Presidential eligibility.
    It is what it is, and that is a fact.

    We may soon see what the court thinks:
    Texas Attorney Files Eligibility Lawsuit Against Ted Cruz…
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...inst-ted-cruz/

    Again, I wish Cruz was eligible. I think he'd make a good President or Vice President. But, I'm not willing to go down the road the Dems did in 2008 and ignore the Constitution in order to get him elected.

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