Cruz, Rubio, and Jindal are all ineligible to be President - Not Natural Born Citizens of the US

[HoneyBadger]

Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?

[crays]

Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?

Do you really want Cruz? Not stumping for Trump, but Cruz is caustic as well. Too early to choose.

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[HoneyBadger]

Do you really want Cruz? Not stumping for Trump, but Cruz is caustic as well. Too early to choose.

sent from somwhere

In a false dichotomy of the two, I would prefer Cruz. I think Cruz is a better leader, better politician, and consistently represents my values better than Trump. I think Cruz would represent America internationally far better than Trump.

[davsel]

Cruz is our best chance against Trump right now... Do you really want Trump?

If he is in fact ineligible, it doesn't matter whether or not I or anyone else wants him.
It is not a matter of how good a job he could do as POTUS. If you believe in defending the Constitution, ineligible means ineligible.

[HoneyBadger]

If he is in fact ineligible, it doesn't matter whether or not I or anyone else wants him.
It is not a matter of how good a job he could do as POTUS. If you believe in defending the Constitution, ineligible means ineligible.

I'm not at all conflicted about this because I believe that he is eligible.

[Teufelhund]

My wife was born in Jakarta. Her father is Texan, and her mother is Austrian, making her a citizen of both the US and the EU from birth; she has two legitimate passports. You can play the semantics game if you want about what "natural born" means, but the way it has been interpreted by the federal government since the First Congress means Cruz is eligible.

[davsel]

My wife was born in Jakarta. Her father is Texan, and her mother is Austrian, making her a citizen of both the US and the EU from birth; she has two legitimate passports. You can play the semantics game if you want about what "natural born" means, but the way it has been interpreted by the federal government since the First Congress means Cruz is eligible.

Not true

[Teufelhund]

Not true

The UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT disagrees with you. But please, tell us how this policy, on the US Department of State's website is incorrect.

http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...rn-abroad.html

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

[davsel]

The UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT disagrees with you. But please, tell us how this policy, on the US Department of State's website is incorrect.

http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...rn-abroad.html

Ok, one more time:

No one is arguing whether or not Cruz was a US citizen at the time of his birth - He was and is.

The argument stems from the fact that there are two different "classes" of citizenship: "Natural Born" and "Naturalized." The only difference between members of these two classes is that one can run for POTUS and the other class cannot.

"Natural Born" = born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States to a citizen parent.
"Naturalized" = A statute or act of Congress confers citizenship to someone other than the "Natural Born" citizen.

Cruz was not born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States, therefore his citizenship, from the time of his birth, falls under the class of "Naturalized" because it required a legal statute to grant citizenship to children of US citizens born outside the US - as you posted above.

What you have posted above falls under "Naturalized," and therefore is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.

The subject has been brought up by the courts before:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

The common law principle of allegiance was the law of all the States at the time of the Revolution and at the adoption of the Constitution, and, by that principle, the citizens of the United States are, with the exceptions before mentioned,

(namely, foreign-born children of citizens, under statutes to be presently referred to)

such only as are either born or made so, born within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States or naturalized by the authority of law, either in one of the States before the Constitution or, since that time, by virtue of an act of the Congress of the United States.

Being a citizen at birth is not the same thing as being a "Natural Born" citizen.

[Teufelhund]

Ok, one more time:

No one is arguing whether or not Cruz was a US citizen at the time of his birth - He was and is.

The argument stems from the fact that there are two different "classes" of citizenship: "Natural Born" and "Naturalized." The only difference between members of these two classes is that one can run for POTUS and the other class cannot.

"Natural Born" = born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States to a citizen parent.
"Naturalized" = A statute or act of Congress confers citizenship to someone other than the "Natural Born" citizen.

Cruz was not born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States, therefore his citizenship, from the time of his birth, falls under the class of "Naturalized" because it required a legal statute to grant citizenship to children of US citizens born outside the US - as you posted above.

What you have posted above falls under "Naturalized," and therefore is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.

The subject has been brought up by the courts before:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649


Being a citizen at birth is not the same thing as being a "Natural Born" citizen.

I guess I didn't understand to what you were referring when you said "not true."

So what you're saying is that if a US Ambassador, posted in a foreign country, has a baby at the local hospital, that baby can never be president because he/she wasn't delivered on US soil. Does that sound right to you?

I still think you're wrong on this. A Naturalized citizen is one who immigrated here and has to submit to a formal process to become a citizen. A Natural born citizen is one who autonomously becomes a citizen through no action of their own (typically because one of their parents is a citizen). Actual constitutional scholars agree with this. I guess we will see if/when this lawsuit goes anywhere.


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