Cruz, Rubio, and Jindal are all ineligible to be President - Not Natural Born Citizens of the US

[Ronin13]

Ok, one more time:

No one is arguing whether or not Cruz was a US citizen at the time of his birth - He was and is.

The argument stems from the fact that there are two different "classes" of citizenship: "Natural Born" and "Naturalized." The only difference between members of these two classes is that one can run for POTUS and the other class cannot.

"Natural Born" = born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States to a citizen parent.
"Naturalized" = A statute or act of Congress confers citizenship to someone other than the "Natural Born" citizen.

Cruz was not born within the confines or jurisdiction of the United States, therefore his citizenship, from the time of his birth, falls under the class of "Naturalized" because it required a legal statute to grant citizenship to children of US citizens born outside the US - as you posted above.

What you have posted above falls under "Naturalized," and therefore is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS.

The subject has been brought up by the courts before:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649


Being a citizen at birth is not the same thing as being a "Natural Born" citizen.

Just a little issue- by your logic then McCain wouldn't have been eligible to run for POTUS... And they decided that he was. Since he was born in Panama.

[roberth]

Fact - Cruz is eligible.

Does not matter what anyone thinks, wishes, or opines.

Fact - Cruz is eligible.

[davsel]

Fact - Cruz is eligible.

Does not matter what anyone thinks, wishes, or opines.

Fact - Cruz is eligible.

Personally, I wish Cruz was eligible.

Cruz held a dual citizenship with Canada and the US up until May 14 2014.
Ensuring the elected official to the highest office in the US does not have any split allegiances is precisely why the "Natural Born Citizen" clause exists.
"Natural Born" and "Naturalized" are two different classes of US citizenship. They share all the same rights and privileges, EXCEPT for Presidential eligibility.
It is what it is, and that is a fact.

We may soon see what the court thinks:

Texas Attorney Files Eligibility Lawsuit Against Ted Cruz…

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...inst-ted-cruz/

Again, I wish Cruz was eligible. I think he'd make a good President or Vice President. But, I'm not willing to go down the road the Dems did in 2008 and ignore the Constitution in order to get him elected.

[davsel]

[roberth]

Cruz' mother was an American citizen in Canada when Cruz was born so Cruz is an American citizen by birth.

[davsel]

Cruz' mother was an American citizen in Canada when Cruz was born so Cruz is an American citizen by birth.

Yes, a "Naturalized" American citizen by birth.

ETA: Cruz is also a Canadian citizen by birth.

[roberth]

Yes, a "Naturalized" American citizen by birth.

Hmmmmmm skeptical, this is just another ploy by the establishment to derail Cruz' presidential bid.

[davsel]

Hmmmmmm skeptical, this is just another ploy by the establishment to derail Cruz' presidential bid.

I cannot disagree.

[Ronin13]

I'm not at all conflicted about this because I believe that he is eligible.

And he is.

Personally, I wish Cruz was eligible.

Cruz held a dual citizenship with Canada and the US up until May 14 2014.
Ensuring the elected official to the highest office in the US does not have any split allegiances is precisely why the "Natural Born Citizen" clause exists.
"Natural Born" and "Naturalized" are two different classes of US citizenship. They share all the same rights and privileges, EXCEPT for Presidential eligibility.
It is what it is, and that is a fact.

We may soon see what the court thinks:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...inst-ted-cruz/

Again, I wish Cruz was eligible. I think he'd make a good President or Vice President. But, I'm not willing to go down the road the Dems did in 2008 and ignore the Constitution in order to get him elected.

He is eligible. There are 4 ways one is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States:
-Born to two US Citizen parents in the US.
-Born to one US Citizen parent in the US.
-Born to one or both US Citizen parent(s) regardless of location of birth (Cruz, Obama, McCain).
-Born to foreign citizen in the US (Anchor baby).
These are all the accepted definitions that have yet to be challenged in the SCOTUS. Obama is eligible regardless of if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, his mother is a US Citizen and thus he is a Natural Born US Citizen. It would be the same as if your mother was a US Citizen (irrelevant if your father was or wasn't), went on vacation and gave birth to you in a foreign country. Make sense?

[cstone]

Just another way of looking at this: At least the GOP is having this conversation before they nominate a candidate, rather than never having the conversation, hiding any possible evidence, and ridiculing anyone who dares to raise the question.

Some people are just too afraid to be proven wrong.