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    Cruz' mother was an American citizen in Canada when Cruz was born so Cruz is an American citizen by birth.

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    Just another way of looking at this: At least the GOP is having this conversation before they nominate a candidate, rather than never having the conversation, hiding any possible evidence, and ridiculing anyone who dares to raise the question.

    Some people are just too afraid to be proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Cruz' mother was an American citizen in Canada when Cruz was born so Cruz is an American citizen by birth.
    Yes, a "Naturalized" American citizen by birth.

    ETA: Cruz is also a Canadian citizen by birth.
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    From:
    https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship...naturalization
    You May Qualify for Naturalization if:
    • You have been a permanent resident for at least 5 years and meet all other eligibility requirements, please visit our Path to Citizenship page for more information.
    • You have been a permanent resident for 3 years or more and meet all eligibility requirements to file as a spouse of a U.S. citizen, please visit our Naturalization for Spouses of U.S. Citizens page for more information.
    • You have qualifying service in the U.S. armed forces and meet all other eligibility requirements. Visit the Military section of our website.
    • Your child may qualify for naturalization if you are a U.S. citizen, the child was born outside the U.S., the child is currently residing outside the U.S., and all other eligibility requirements are met. Visit our Citizenship Through Parents page for more information.
    ETA: This has been suggested as the primary reason Obama insists he was born on US soil. If he was born in Kenya, he would have fallen under the above naturalization clause and been ineligible. Also why his school and passport records are no where to be found - possible dual citizenship in his past - so the theory goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Yes, a "Naturalized" American citizen by birth.
    Hmmmmmm skeptical, this is just another ploy by the establishment to derail Cruz' presidential bid.

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    All this bickering about "natural born" etc is really depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Hmmmmmm skeptical, this is just another ploy by the establishment to derail Cruz' presidential bid.
    I cannot disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I'm not at all conflicted about this because I believe that he is eligible.
    And he is.
    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Personally, I wish Cruz was eligible.

    Cruz held a dual citizenship with Canada and the US up until May 14 2014.
    Ensuring the elected official to the highest office in the US does not have any split allegiances is precisely why the "Natural Born Citizen" clause exists.
    "Natural Born" and "Naturalized" are two different classes of US citizenship. They share all the same rights and privileges, EXCEPT for Presidential eligibility.
    It is what it is, and that is a fact.

    We may soon see what the court thinks:

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...inst-ted-cruz/

    Again, I wish Cruz was eligible. I think he'd make a good President or Vice President. But, I'm not willing to go down the road the Dems did in 2008 and ignore the Constitution in order to get him elected.
    He is eligible. There are 4 ways one is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States:
    -Born to two US Citizen parents in the US.
    -Born to one US Citizen parent in the US.
    -Born to one or both US Citizen parent(s) regardless of location of birth (Cruz, Obama, McCain).
    -Born to foreign citizen in the US (Anchor baby).
    These are all the accepted definitions that have yet to be challenged in the SCOTUS. Obama is eligible regardless of if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, his mother is a US Citizen and thus he is a Natural Born US Citizen. It would be the same as if your mother was a US Citizen (irrelevant if your father was or wasn't), went on vacation and gave birth to you in a foreign country. Make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    And he is.

    He is eligible. There are 4 ways one is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States:
    -Born to two US Citizen parents in the US.
    -Born to one US Citizen parent in the US.
    -Born to one or both US Citizen parent(s) regardless of location of birth (Cruz, Obama, McCain).
    -Born to foreign citizen in the US (Anchor baby).
    These are all the accepted definitions that have yet to be challenged in the SCOTUS. Obama is eligible regardless of if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, his mother is a US Citizen and thus he is a Natural Born US Citizen. It would be the same as if your mother was a US Citizen (irrelevant if your father was or wasn't), went on vacation and gave birth to you in a foreign country. Make sense?
    An anchor baby can run for POTUS? I don't think so.

    I wish it were as simple as you have stated. However, it is not.
    Please provide any legal sources used to back up your understanding?

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    Anyone know how he gets an official sign off that ends the speculation? To me, I see him as eligible and the only reason this is coming up is to vet him now as opposed to later.

    Sounds like he needs to get ahead of this thing and get an official answer asap just to make this issue go away, but I am afraid the only way he can get a final answer is SCOTUS which isn't the most time efficient route.

    Any other options?

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