Require more training for CCW

[rondog]

I like the idea of teaching basic firearm safety and use in public schools, with range time. I'd also like to see programs for youth shooting come back, like Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, FFA, etc.. I've been around guns, hunting and shooting ever since I was l old enough to hold one. When I was a kid, my parents enrolled me in a Police Athletic League (PAL) shooting class, and I learned more about shooting in that class than I could even tell ya. But "mandatory" anything? No.

But I will say that I've seen some pretty scary stuff in my CCW class, hunter safety class, and at public ranges. One of the big reasons I love Ben Lomond Gun Club, where I can nearly always shoot by myself without any careless yahoos near me. The range time at my hunters safety class was eye-opening, pretty scary to think of some of those people roaming around the woods with guns. The majority of them couldn't even hit the paper.

[68Charger]

"Elitist bovine scat"? I don't need empirical data. I see these people every single day at work. Try to help them pick out guns. Help them choose a holster. Watch them shoot on the range- and when the opportunity is there, sometimes try to give them some help and/or coaching. Encourage them to get more training. Elitist bovine scat my ass. Current training requirements to get a CCW are woefully inadequate. Imho if you don't see this you have your head in the sand.

The way I see this is the classic "you're making me pay for somebody else's inexperience/inability/negligence"... how about we require you to go take a $300 defensive driver's course because I saw one of your neighbors driving recklessly?

I understand the concern, but still have a problem with mandatory training meant for the lowest common denominator. Such mandatory training could be a total waste of time for some, and those funds could be better spent on a more advanced course.

ETA: I did get something out of my original CCW course, because I didn't choose the cheapest/simplest one I could find... I expended 250-300 rounds in that course, and got some very good suggestions from the instructor- I already had lots of experience with rifles & shotgun, but was fairly new to pistols... so it wasn't a safety issue, but I was more accurate and "smooth" after that course. I also do continued training related to volunteering on a security team at my church.

[BlasterBob]

At least? I've got a problem with the situation if the student is hitting the target MORE than 30 times for 30 rounds fired ...

I guess I didn't make my statement very clear. I meant that out of the required thirty shots to be fired, ALL of those thirty shots had to at least hit the paper target. Also neglected to mention that there was a written 20 question test at the conclusion of this particular CCW class. Before someone asks what that written test covered - it was about the curriculum we had received in this particular class.

[Irving]

You guys do realize that Sneakered never said that people should be REQUIRED to take more training, right?

[Gman]

You guys do realize that Sneakered never said that people should be REQUIRED to take more training, right?

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/153142-...=1#post1938960

Current training requirements to get a CCW are woefully inadequate. Imho if you don't see this you have your head in the sand.

Seeing as we currently have required training...and he doesn't think it's enough...that leads you to your conclusion?

I get the feeling that sneakerd doesn't trust anyone that he himself doesn't approve.

I think that probably 60-70% of people with CCW should not be carrying a gun. Because they're not good enough.

It's a damn big country, he'll be busy.

At some point, you need to not be prejudiced against every other citizen out there and have some faith that maybe they'll cut you the same slack.

[Irving]

The current level of training that is required IS a joke, as far as training goes. No one in their right mind should go through the required class and then consider themselves "trained" or otherwise in no further need of training or practice. Now, all that said, and despite Sneakered's choice to comment on that fact, it has nothing to do with the discussion of if more training should be required.

[cstone]

a letter from a doctor, stating you were mentally competent

Do you still have that letter? You should frame it. I would like to see it

[Irving]

Do you still have that letter? You should frame it. I would like to see it

That's the spirit. That's like printing out and frame hateful emails I've gotten from customers.

[Danimal]

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[Irving]

I also wanted to make another redundant point. Rather than requiring "training," it seems more logical to require a certain level of performance. In this case it would have to be a score on a written exam and a score on some shooting drill. Then if you can pass the test without any additional "training" then good for you. If not, the argument is that you need that training anyway. Just an alternative idea, that I don't actually support.